the universe is an expanding sphere

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The universe is an expanding sphere that expands just as fast as the thoughts that feed it to create it. According to the red-shift this expansion is close to or perhaps even beyond the speed of light. Thus the need for a Big-Bang.

The Universe is an expanding sphere that has no outside, the non-existent future, and no inside, the non-existent past.

On this expanding sphere the observer is ALWAYS at the center of the universe even though it has no center, the past. Not only is the observer always at the center of the universe, but this center has to be at the expanding edge of the universe which the observer always sees far - far away moving away close to or perhaps even beyond the speed of light.
-- figure it out

There is a joke to this post: over half the PhDs that taught me physics/chemistry in college would not understand little if anything about this post, and -- except for the thoughts that expand the universe -- there is nothing in this post they can disagree with either.
 
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Sorry, genep, but I think your understanding of the universe is a little skewed. I'll try to address a few of your statements, even though I am not a PhD physicist.

"According to the red-shift this expansion is close to or perhaps even beyond the speed of light. Thus the need for a Big-Bang."

According to latest observations, our universe is expanding several times the speed of light, and it is not only expanding, the RATE of expansion is increasing. Our universe has been calculated to be 13.7 billion years old. The latest calculations of its current diameter turn out to be 154 billion light years wide. The calculations are based on much more than just red-shift though, such as class 1a supernovas and their 'blink' rates. Reverse this expansion and what do you get? It comes back to a small volume, at least. The inflationary period, soon after the initial Big-Bang, is what is needed to explain the current size and other observations made in the last few years.

"The Universe is an expanding sphere that has no outside, the non-existent future, and no inside, the non-existent past."

The sphere is probably the most accepted shape for the observable universe, but there are other shapes favored by some astronomers, such as the torus or 'donut' shape. Most astronomers/physicists refuse to speculate on what, if anything, lies 'outside' our observable universe because it is thought to be unknowable. This is often interpreted as 'nothing' because it cannot be proven one way or the other. One thing I would like to comment on about the way 'universe' is defined. Physicists often do not make a distinction between 'universe' and 'our observable universe' related to the reasons given above. Many astronomers do, and it causes some confusion. 'Our observable universe' is what astronomers are speaking of when they say it is currently 154 billion light years in diameter. The physicists' 'universe' stretches to infinity in all directions.
Yes, the universe does have a future, most likely a heat-death as it continues to expand and individual stars and galaxies burn up all their nuclear fuel, far, far into the future. Yes, you are 'inside' the universe now. Our observable universe does have a beginning, and thus, a past, beginning with the Big-Bang of course. I can't speculate on the universe at large, other than to say some physicists consider it to contain 'all that there is' and time began with the Big-Bang. Some physicists think there could be many 'bubble' universes similar to our own spread out within the universe at large. The problem is proof of such a concept. String Theorists think there may be 'hidden' universes in different dimensions than our own, but occupying the same 'space'. The new Large Hedron Collider is to search for such hidden dimensions when it is completed.

"On this expanding sphere the observer is ALWAYS at the center of the universe even though it has no center, the past. Not only is the observer always at the center of the universe, but this center has to be at the expanding edge of the universe which the observer always sees far - far away moving away close to or perhaps even beyond the speed of light."

Well, there is some question about this long-accepted theory that the universe 'has no center'. Current observations indicate that we may well indeed be near the center of the observable universe. Long accepted theory states that on large scales, the universe is homogenous, that matter and galaxies are evenly distributed throughout the universe, so it dosen't make any difference where in the universe you observe from, it always looks the same. Recent observations indicate matter and galaxies are much more concentrated in our neck of the woods, so we may very well BE near the center of OUR observable universe. Don't know if the previous helps or confuses more, but it is a short synopsis according to MY limited understanding.
 
2inquisitive said:
Sorry, genep, but I think your understanding of the universe is a little skewed. I'll try to address a few of your statements, even though I am not a PhD physicist.....

"According to the red-shift this expansion is close to or perhaps even beyond the speed of light. Thus the need for a Big-Bang."
Don't know if the previous helps or confuses more, but it is a short synopsis according to MY limited understanding.
Dearest 2inquisitive

At least you know enough not to argue with the fundamental basics of physics, the universe. The details you detail is just your devil.

"The Devil is in the details"

the Devil IS the details and theories
called the mind
that expands the universe just as fast as
the thoughts that feed it to create it.

Physics tells us that the observer determines the observations.
This can only mean one thing, in simple English: the universe has to be the observer's hallucination.
And this also explains why the observer thus has to be always at the center of the hallucination, the universe, no matter how impossible this has to be, for physics -- BUT utterly-simple FOR THOUGHTS, your "Devil," the mind.
 
Please prove to me that space is doing anything...! no.. you cannot.. you can only discuss photons... and make assumptions about space... thats all anyone can do..
that is all scientists have ever done.
-MT
 
Mosheh Thezion said:
Please prove to me that space is doing anything...! no.. you cannot.. you can only discuss photons... and make assumptions about space... thats all anyone can do..
that is all scientists have ever done.
-MT

Mosheh - the meanings of words can only make your subject of "all anyone can do" funny:


Except for perhaps a few dozen people on earth
each person reads the same words differently.
And the joke get bigger
because each day the same person reads the same words differently.
And the joke gets even bigger
as the mind’s needs and hormones changes the meanings of these same words in the same person from minute to minute and second to second.

And the Supreme Comedy can only rocket to another level when you ask me what these words mean when I have nothing to do with the way the meanings of words change from person to person let alone minute to minute.
And the Supreme Comedy rockets yet to another hilarious level
when dictionaries then go on to tell us, with the utmost authority,
that the same words can have different meanings,
in different ways but not on different days.

-- UV-gap
 
Hey, g:

There really are a lot of people who love science and scientific discovery of truth.

IF YOU REALLY DO KNOW SOMETHING OF SCIENTIFIC VALUE, PLEASE QUIT WRITING IN AN OBSCURE WAY AND TELL US, IN LANGUAGE MUTUALLY UNDERSTANDABLE, WHAT YOU WANT US TO KNOW.
 
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