to vax or not to vax

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  1. Bells Staff Member

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    Pretty much.

    If people follow the same rules from now on, stay home when sick, social distancing when out and wearing a mask if they feel unwell, I suspect number of influenza admittance to hospital would remain quite low in the future.
     
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  3. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Good points but this whole thing is also related to bureaucratic control over the lives of people and taking away everybody's cars and guns so that citizens of the USA, Canada and much of the world are totally dependent on government........................ which has actually been done before in history!
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    "Aborted human fetus sells" in the vaccine?

    ...

    You "would like to be in solidarity with Christians and Jews and others who DO NOT want to take any of the existing vaccines at this time for ethical reasons?"

    ...

    Bureaucratic control over the lives of people and taking away everybody's cars and guns so that citizens of the USA, Canada and much of the world are totally dependent on government.

    What is all this?

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    Is your brain throwing a tantrum?
     
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  7. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I have to admit that my brain has thrown a few tantrums on me over these sixty one years.......
    so I really cannot totally rule that out as a possibility??????

    Back in 1990 I even got really, really, really angry with Jesus over the "many called/ few chosen" plan once I read a negative NDE or two or three?!
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Should that be cells???

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  9. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I am going to take the liberty of quoting you into the "Human Science" sub-forum and ask if other posters on the forum suspect that my brain chemical mix may be a little "off" these days?!

    Diabolical, dastardly, despicable and devious me......
    in a sense I may end up getting some free of charge psychological advice through Sciforums from some brilliant people who could charge me a hundred dollars per hour or more if I lived within travelling distance of their day job office?!
     
  10. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you can be contagious even if you present no symptoms. This is one of the thing that makes this particular virus so insidious; People can be walking around with it, never know it, and potentially spread it to others.
    The best course of action is to assume that anyone, including yourself, could be infected. Wear a mask, not so much to protect yourself, but to protect others. It doesn't matter that if you contract it, you think you'll be okay, but that now you are a new vector by which the virus can spread, possibly to those who won't fair as well.

    I got my first shot of the Pfizer vaccine last Wednesday, and am scheduled to get the 2nd on May 5th. 2 weeks after that I should be at maximum protection. However, I'm not going to change much in what I'm doing now. I'll still wear a mask when in public, I don't plan on doing indoor dining at restaurants , etc. About the most I'll do at first is maybe sleep in to 6:30 am rather than get up at 5:30 am to do my grocery shopping.
     
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  11. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Well I'm out, however, I don't think Jesus mentioned vaccinations as uncool.
     
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  12. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I've taken lots and lots of vaccines but this is the first one that
    was ever set up quite like this one!

    One impressive article that I read stated that there was HIV DNA in the Covid 19 virus which, if true, seems to me to be astonishingly unlikely to occur by pure random chance... ........
    Bill Gates's favorite card game is Hearts.... and we called taking twenty five point in one hand "Chinese Control." I believe that a number of influential Chinese Secret Service agents in an off the scale CORRUPT Chinese industrial military complex, may well have gone all out to push the Yuan above the USA dollar...... and I believe that they have terribly failed in this attempt...... I believe that every month will produce better and better and better vaccines and knock the worst of the vaccines off the market.

    A ninety seven year old neighbor got the vaccine about a month ago and within a few days had a stroke and a heart attack. Whatever vaccine is on the market in my area six months or a year from now will likely be a much better variation than the one that she took. Until my employer demands that I take the vaccine or be fired.... I do not have to take this vaccine. Even when my employer demands that I take the vaccine.... if I can resign and work as a "Casual Janitor Unvaccinated" I may well go for that option.

    I don't want to be so politically correct that I pressure friends into compliance on something that is so fishy on so many levels.

    Not only has much of the world turned against China over this past year but it seems that even Mother Nature is out to humble the Chinese military machine as well. I am of the belief that prayer by Chinese Muslims, Falun Gong, dissidents and Christians are being answered and within a decade China may have a level of freedom that could in many important ways be greater than what Canadians and Americans have by then if the Political Correctness Police take control over here in the western democracies.
     
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  13. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    The case that can be presented that this virus was designed brilliantly is rather impressive and I suspect that within six months to a year even the BigMedia outlets will be unable to ignore the truth on this.
     
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i disagree
    i think the vast majority of people have stopped reporting colds to avoid being quarantined for covid

    we need to gather peripheral data on things like pain killer use
    sales
    medications were stripped from shop shelves globally

    have they all been feeding themselves with N-acetyl-para-aminophenol (APAP), acetaminophen (USAN US)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol
    ?

    to hide thier symptoms
    and massively under reporting ?
    i think yes

    wont be good for their liver

    (((((i have observed people who obviously have a cold and say they don't and still go into the office & mix with staff[[[[[many times]]]]])))))
    so a combined process of massive public dosing with paracetamol and other herbs and chemicals & drugs
    matched with massive under-reporting
    matched with massive reduction in large scale common spreading behaviors

    i expect the incidence of colds is exactly the same just proportional to the reduced social contact
    while possibly increased spread inside family domestic units
    being repressed with massively increased self dosing with drugs

    i might even wonder of transmission inside domestic groups increased as clean-behavior fatigues and rebellions set in

    questions around alcohol & paracetamol on the liver would be my thought to throw a few million dollars into research

    including
    high fat comfort food
    while taking paracetamol
    and antibiotics
    combined
    very very bad for the liver

    obesity high fat people
    with snack comfort food high fat
    taking antibiotics and paracetamol
    and then other younger groups taking alcohol and paracetamol(liver better to heal though but will increase risk in those with genetic disorders as outcomes etc )
     
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  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    my question for scientists is
    is there any rebound clotting or lack of clotting effect from people taking medications then catching covid ?

    because
    regardles of vaccines obviously saving most people
    can we help reduce complex long term bad outcomes slightly by tweaking aspects of the hematology long term state of complex patients ?

    these would be patients typical advised t possibly not get vaccinated while maintaining a high level of fatal risk from catching covid

    is this protein thing going to be a real flame thrower in a alcohol shop party(long term if so can we get a jump on it) ?
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    More likely, they will just be advised to get a different vaccine.
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    So you don't adhere to speed limits, building regulation codes, etc because it's all government control?

    We're talking about vaccines and you start rambling about the Government taking away your guns and cars in Canada and the US and the rest of the world..

    I don't think I'm wrong when I ask, what in the actual fresh hell are you on about?

    You are literally peddling crap.

    Not just any crap.

    Dangerous crap.

    In the middle of a pandemic..

    This thread is in the Human Science sub-forum.

    No.

    The response will be to stop peddling crap.

    Science has moved at a fast pace and they were able to create vaccines.

    This virus required a fast response because it shut down the entire world to stop its spread. They threw everything at it.

    Was it on InfoWars?

    Yep.

    InfoWars.

    Stop peddling crap.
    97 years of age... Because something else might not have been the cause?

    My mother is in her 80's with a history of primary central nervous system lymphoma, severe dementia now as a result and had both shots and is still fine.

    It's not an iphone.

    Then you are simply contributing to preventing herd immunity.
    As above. You are putting your immunocompromised neighbours and residents who live near you, at risk.

    Instead, you prefer to put them at risk because you are driven by conspiracies.

    And now religious woo.

    And now back to right wing woo.

    Cut it out.

    This is a science forum. Either present scientific studies to back up your claims or face moderation. I am not telling you again.
     
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  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    What does that mean?

    All DNA contains the same four nucleotides. All DNA contains the same codons. Most DNA from life on Earth contains similar codon sequences. This is because all life on Earth is related. How similar they are depends on how closely the lifeforms are related.

    So if two viruses did NOT share any DNA codon sequences, that would be almost a miracle.
    Yep. 97 year old people tend to have strokes. Sucks getting old.
    Correct. Not getting vaccinated when you can does not make you a criminal. It just makes you a selfish jerk.
    The case can also be presented that the Earth is flat and BigMedia is trying to cover that up with their fake "round Earth" theories. Some people even believe that it's flat. Do you?
     
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  19. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    For the record a lot of smart people disagree with him.....
    but here is what he said:



    One thing is for certain.... the timing for the arrival of Covid 19 is certainly suspicious.
     
  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    keeping in mind consumer economics which drives most country's financial systems, & delivers jobs to provide wages, which is what creates the money used to keep the economy moving...
    relys on a certain amount of social interaction.
    how working class taxes are spent on the rich or poor is the big game the elitists are playing when they game all the fake science stuff
    they want to hoard the working class taxes for themselves and steal it from the working class.

    thats what is behind all the alt right and conservative right push for producing and spreading fake science
    theft & corrupt fascist power control

    so vaccination has become a self factualising function of absolute reality
    now by people getting vaccinated it validates that SARS CoV-2 is real
    and that undermines their fake science propaganda

    flu jab or no flu jab
    is the flu real or fake
    are colds flus and viruses fake
    is bacteria fake

    etc etc
    the hypocrisy of the reality's need to subvert basic common sense and logic is mandatory to insert false leadership obedience

    this is exactly the same with the economic basic function of society and how working class taxes are spent on public health

    my point, which i almost forgot
    is that some economy's are more reliant on working class having jobs & spending their wages
    these economy's are inherently user pays privatized
    which is part of the difficulty in fooling the people while they steal their taxes.
    soo... the USA economy which is privatised user pays
    relys almost 100% on working class jobs earning and spending their wages
    which is inherently socialist mixed market economy

    while they all get their free vaccinations ...

    so the question of "to vax or not to vax"is able to be swapped out for
    "why should i pay for your vaccination" ?!!!
    when the reality is
    that power of consumer based privatized user pays has been removed already and then sanctified inside an outsourced moral hypocrisy

    who is paying for my vaccination
    why should i pay for your vaccination
    is my vaccination free
    what is a free lunch

    etc ...
    a potential cross roads of social & cultural change

    not in a private health care system
    the minimum current market rate is around $300.00 per hour (1 hour minimum fee)
    a reputable qualified psychologist would have around $500,000.00 in costs to get to that point in opening a business

    any rich anti-vaxers planning a tourist visit to India to visit all the popular sites ?

    like the dark ages ?
    you need to provide some info around what defines it as being suspicious and to a nature of what suspicion toward a pre defined concept of assumed outcome reality
    suspicion with no basic logic is called fear & paranoia

    it wold be easy to argue that african swine flu & lack of government regulations caused covid19 to escalate faster than it may have
    but all scientists have been saying for decades that this is going to happen
    not if
    but when

    fyi
    20 years ago i was discussing this very subject with some of the worlds leading scientists
    soo you have a fair bit of ground to catch up.
     
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  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No more suspicious than . . . any other time.
    Huh! I wonder who he accuses of inserting chimpanzee DNA sequences into human DNA.
     
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  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    soo
    not only is covid a scam
    but also DNA is fake ?

    wow ! what next ...
    finger prints are also fake ?

    what about bum prints oh the pestilence of it all
    they say its the 7 signs of your back end

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