UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

You're skating on very thin ice. And I see you've become all fatalistic about it: what will happen will happen. No doubt you (pretend to) believe in the Tarot. You've played your cards. Now you wait.

You don't scare me with your bullyish threats. Everyone can see what a relentless and abusive troll you are to me. Why do you think nobody ever "likes" your flaming off-topic tirades against me? Nobody respects that James. It's not funny or entertaining. It's just petty, mean, and ugly, Be better.
 
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Here's a video of a UAP captured off the coast of Cornwall England by a live beach webcam in 2020. The bright object moves steadily along the horizon at a high rate of speed and comes to a sudden halt.. Then it shoots straight up apparently exceeding the speed of sound. The video is examined by experts and hoaxing and drones are ruled out. It is an excellent example of the ultra-advanced technology of UAPs that we are dealing with here.

 
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“I had started out as an outright 'debunker,' taking great joy in cracking what seemed at first to be puzzling cases. I was the arch enemy of those 'flying saucer groups and enthusiasts' who very dearly wanted UFOs to be interplanetary. My own knowledge of those groups came almost entirely from what I heard from Blue Book personnel: they were all 'crackpots and visionaries.' My transformation was gradual but by the late sixties it was complete. Today I would not spend one further moment on the subject of UFOs if I didn't seriously feel that the UFO phenomenon is real and that efforts to investigate and understand it, and eventually to solve it, could have a profound effect -- perhaps even be the springboard to mankind's outlook on the universe.”
― J. Allen Hynek, The Hynek UFO Report
 
Hotspots: The UK and mainland Europe are thick with ufo activity (Image: lcpearso.cartodb.com)

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UFO: India and South Asia have their fair share of interstellar visitors (Image: lcpearso.cartodb.com)

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"We've had people calling from all over Queensland," Ms Gottschall said.

"There was a sighting on the Gold Coast on Friday night, Cairns last week and there was another sighting in Childers.

"We get about 100 calls a year and across Australia all up the UFO research groups get up to 800. That's just the reported sightings - a lot go unreported."


"Most notably, the website has helped assemble a map of “hotspots” across the world, where unidentified aerial phenomena (aka UAPs, formerly known as UFOs) are most frequently sighted. Surprisingly – to anyone who suspected that UAPs were suspiciously concentrated over US and UK military bases – Japan has actually recorded the largest amount, according to data gathered between 1996 and 2023."

 
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Hotspots: The UK and mainland Europe are thick with ufo activity (Image: lcpearso.cartodb.com)

CuItRN9.jpeg


UFO: India and South Asia have their fair share of interstellar visitors (Image: lcpearso.cartodb.com)

GibLwZ1.jpeg



"We've had people calling from all over Queensland," Ms Gottschall said.

"There was a sighting on the Gold Coast on Friday night, Cairns last week and there was another sighting in Childers.

"We get about 100 calls a year and across Australia all up the UFO research groups get up to 800. That's just the reported sightings - a lot go unreported."


"Most notably, the website has helped assemble a map of “hotspots” across the world, where unidentified aerial phenomena (aka UAPs, formerly known as UFOs) are most frequently sighted. Surprisingly – to anyone who suspected that UAPs were suspiciously concentrated over US and UK military bases – Japan has actually recorded the largest amount, according to data gathered between 1996 and 2023."

How are hoaxes ruled out?

Photoshop, video editing, CGI etc?
 
Hotspots: The UK and mainland Europe are thick with ufo activity (Image: lcpearso.cartodb.com)
Whaaaat?? Are you saying that web sites out there exhibit a variety of quality, from the merely good to the utterly shite? That some sites perhaps push their own biased agenda, and maybe shouldn't be posted here as a quality source of objective, accurate information? :tries link to MR's HUGE collection of (pretty search lights in the sky, flying bugs, thrown sticks, frisbees and blurred splotches) from 1870 to 2011**:


**oh sure, some of them may have been interesting at one time, but this is right out of the MR playbook: when losing one's latest battle, try to drag it all the way back to square one "but ... but ... the fuzzy blobs! So old! 100 years before Photoshop ... remember Hilary's emails!"

This thread is sneaking up on the 10,000 post mark. It behooves you to review where it's been and what it's already covered. We've come some way toward separating the wheat from the chaff. Maybe instead of beating your "but .... the msysssteryyyyy! drum", you could refine your discussion to the actually interesting stuff.
 
The density of reports seems to be roughly correlated with population density.

Which might arguably suggest that whatever is causing this (probably a variety of things) is distributed fairly equally worldwide.

It might also arguably suggest that these reports aren't simply cultural or the result of media suggestion, if they are coming from areas with different languages, cultures and levels of penetration by American and English language media.
 
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The density of reports seems to be roughly correlated with population density.
China and Asia each Harbour about 1/6 of the planet's population. I'd say it may be true that sightings are sparse where population is low but I don't think one can go so far as to say population is the key factor. If say industrialized development would be a better metric
 
"Rutkowski says that UFO sightings in Canada are more common than we think. “There are about 1,000 UFO reports filed in Canada every year, and the number remains high.”

Ufology Research, an organization Rutkowski belongs to, has collected and analyzed Canadian UFO report data since 1989. Their 2017 survey showed that a total of 1,101 sightings were reported across the country, at a rate of roughly three per day — the fifth highest number since the group began collecting data in 1989.

The survey also showed that there was an average of two witnesses per UFO sighting and that the sightings lasted about 15 minutes each. Many witnesses were police officers, pilots and other people with keen observational skills.

Most sighting reports in 2017 came from Quebec (518) and Ontario (241), with B.C. coming in third (128). Out of the major metropolitan areas the country, Montreal and Toronto topped the list."---
 
Hudson Valley UFO flap of 1982. Huge V-shaped and circular ufos with lights underneath witnessed by up to 5000 silently and slowly gliding over Hudson Valley NY. The objects were seen repeatedly over a period of several months from 1982 to 1984 and newspapers finally came out with full-page articles on the event. The explanation of it being just private planes flying in formation was floated around, but it was soon debunked by many of the eyewitnesses seeing the ufo stopping and then slowly turning around on an axis. They were also completely silent. No names of anyone claiming to have flown the alleged ultralights ever came out. Here's a short video on the whole extraordinary event.


 
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No, sometimes they're not even hoax or CGI, sometimes they can fall within the perview of plain ol' 21st century mundanity.

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Here's video of a blimp with a TV screen. It looks nothing like the plasmoid uap.


Now compare that to the plasmoid UAP:

 
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You don't scare me with your bullyish threats. Everyone can see what a relentless and abusive troll you are to me.
I merely hold you to account, Magical Realist. Of course you don't like that. If anybody is stupid enough to buy your attempt to turn the tables here, that's their problem, not mine. It won't make any difference to your almost inevitable fate.

Why do you think nobody ever "likes" your flaming off-topic tirades against me?
I think you're over-egging the pudding with your "nobody ever", there. But even if there was something to that, it doesn't matter. I don't hold you to account to get "likes". That's not what the job entails.
Nobody respects that James. It's not funny or entertaining. It's just petty, mean, and ugly, Be better.
Says the troll.
 
Interesting story in The Hill:

Before JamesR has apoplexy (I argue with the guy, but don't want to harm him) I'll say that I don't entirely believe this.
Excuse me?

What do you imagine I would have "apoplexy" about? You continue to disappoint, Yazata. There was a time when you wouldn't have taken a cheap jibe like that.

Anyway, to the content...
"Has the U.S. government secretly retrieved exotic craft of “non-human” origin? Newly declassified documents, along with extraordinary legislation, illustrate how two successive Democratic Senate majority leaders appear to have believed so.
It's hardly surprising that some US legislators have been sucked into the general hysteria around UFOs. Why would we expect senators to have some kind of special immunity to that particular mind virus? All kinds of people from all walks of life believe in various conspiracy theories. Being a good critical thinker is not a mandatory requirement to gain office in the US Congress or Senate.
...In short, Reid and Lieberman were advocating, “with some sense of urgency,” for the establishment of a formal UFO reverse-engineering program.
They'd have to have something to reverse engineer, first.
Startling as it may be, the notion that shadowy elements of the U.S. government or defense contractors secretly possess retrieved UFOs is treated as fact in the documents...
Which documents?
More recently, Schumer and a bipartisan group of five other senators introduced extraordinary legislation alleging the existence of surreptitious “legacy programs” that retrieve and seek to reverse-engineer UFOs of “non-human” origin...
Alleging? Sounds like a poor excuse for legislation.
...The core elements of Schumer and Rounds’s stunning legislation match the allegations of Air Force veteran and former intelligence official David Grusch, who testified under oath to the existence of UFO retrieval and reverse engineering efforts not subject to congressional oversight...
Grusch refused to meet with the most recent committee that offered to investigate his claims, did he not?
...In January, Sean Kirkpatrick, the former director of the Pentagon’s UFO analysis office, embarked on an unusual media tour to pour cold water on the swirling allegations of secret, unreported UFO programs. But Kirkpatrick’s public commentary appears to have had little effect on Capitol Hill...
Again, hardly surprising. It's hard to talk UFO nuts out of their UFO nuttery.
Asked on May 2 whether a 63-page Pentagon report categorically denying the existence of illicit UFO efforts is “case closed,” Gillibrand stated, “Oh, it’s definitely not case closed.”...
It will never be closed, as long as it is theoretically possible for a Grand Conspiracy to exist. This is how conspiracy theories work. They are built to be immune to refutation. The True Believers can never be satisfied.
...In a June 2023 interview with NewsNation, Rubio made a series of startling UFO-related comments. According to Rubio, “smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government” have informed Congress of the existence of secret UFO programs.
Does this not strike you as hopelessly vague? Name names. Show the documents. etc.
As the documents reveal, Kirkpatrick was taken by surprise by Rubio’s comments.
Again, hardly surprising since it sounds like huge over-reach at best, based on the lack of evidence provided.
A Senate Intelligence Committee staffer subsequently informed Kirkpatrick that the senior officials described by Rubio were among those who refused to speak to his office.
Funny, that. Or maybe not. What with Grusch and then these unnamed "senior officials" all refusing to put their money where their mouths are, it almost looks like a pattern.
As Christopher Mellon, the Department of Defense’s former top civilian intelligence official, notes, many UFO whistleblowers do not trust the Pentagon process, preferring to speak to Congress and the intelligence community’s internal watchdog instead.
Is there a problem with that? The information gets through to the legislators, either way.
This puts the Pentagon in a particularly awkward position. If the director of the UFO office was aware that high-level officials alleging the existence of unreported UFO programs refused to speak with him, how can he and his office credibly issue sweeping denials that such programs exist?
I guess it would depend on what is meant by a "sweeping denial". It sounds like it might be fair to sweepingly deny that the director of the UFO office has seen any good evidence of any unreported UFO programs. That would seem like a reasonable thing to sweepingly deny, if that's actually the case.

Of course, maybe the UFO office director is in on the grand conspiracy!
 
Video captured of a uap in New Mexico in 2023. Looks like what has been described before as a "tic tac". No apparent wings or rudder. And totally silent. The witness describes it as brightening when it goes behind some clouds and points out some sort of extensions on the rear top of it. It doesn't appear hoaxed or photoshopped either. What say you?

 
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Video captured of a uap in New Mexico in 2023. Looks like what has been described before as a "tic tac". No apparent wings or rudder.
As usual, it's too blurry and low quality to tell whether it has wings, rotor blades, a rudder or other features of a regular aircraft or drone.

It doesn't look like a "tic tac", that's for sure. It appears that it has things around the brightest parts of the object. It is not tic tac shaped.
And totally silent.
Things in the sky that are very far away often are. You've noticed how some perfectly identifiable aircraft are silent, I'm sure. You can see them, but you can't necessarily hear them. All kinds of things affect that. You've heard of that thing that people call the wind, haven't you?
The witness describes it as brightening when it goes behind some clouds and points out some sort of extensions on the rear top of it. It doesn't appear hoaxed or photoshopped either.
What witness? Where is this description?

What further investigation have you done regarding this video? (Stupid of me to ask, because the answer is obviously going to be "nothing", as usual.)

Nobody cares about your opinion about whether it "appears" hoaxed or not, since that's not a conclusion based on any analysis at all. It's no better than wishful thinking or a mere guess. As usual with you.
 
Excuse me?

What do you imagine I would have "apoplexy" about? You continue to disappoint, Yazata. There was a time when you wouldn't have taken a cheap jibe like that.
Old Yazata gets over excited about these things. "Poor JamesR's head is going to explode!"
After watching the video of the UAP 26 th July Congressional hearing last year, Yazata said over at Scivillage:
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OMG!!! Holy Crap!!
MR! Make sure you are sitting down and holding tight when you watch this video!.....

.........Poor JamesR's head is going to explode! "
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-12790-post-58992.html#pid58992
Yazata then went into labour.
 
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Old Yazata gets over excited about these things. "Poor JamesR's head is going to explode!"
After watching the video of the UAP 26 th July Congressional hearing last year, Yazata said over at Scivillage:
"
OMG!!! Holy Crap!!
MR! Make sure you are sitting down and holding tight when you watch this video!.....

.........Poor JamesR's head is going to explode! "
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-12790-post-58992.html#pid58992
Yazata then went into labour.

And he does similar facetious things with MR sometimes, too. Like "Don't let MR see this!" and what follows might be anything from a strange gimmick in a Burning Man festival to a clip from 1950s B-movie about flying saucers.

While granting that there might be either an unofficial or official dress requirement at SF to present and take everything as grimly serious (for the sake of Vulcans and those slotting on the autism spectrum?), it's not universally that way in everyday life and every web forum.
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