update: tripoli seems to be falling

LOL! More like deprogramming centers. A good detox from the over consumption of Kool-Aid.

Kool-Aid laced with the requisite mercury-tainted GMO corn syrup, no doubt.

Tripoli has fallen with hardly a shot fired.

Could the fox of all desert foxes be beaten so easily?

Depends on how much you trust the media doing the reporting. I have been reading and hearing reports throughout the debacle since March that are contradictory.

Muammar Gaddafi Defeated: Libyan Rebels Take Tripoli (Video)
by NowPublic Staff | August 21, 2011 at 02:26 pm

While he hasn't admitted it just yet, Muammar Gaddafi's regime has been effectively defeated. Libyan rebels revealed themselves within Tripoli as additional rebel forces streamed in through the suburbs on August 21 after the day's heavy fighting, facing only sporadic opposition late on August 21 and early on August 22.

Reports that Gaddafi is dead are unconfirmed. Barada TV's Malik Al-Abdeh retracted his initial tweet, as reports are conflicting. After six months of civil war, the rebels have reached Green Square, the symbolic center of Muammar Gaddafi's power.

Muammar Gaddafi has refused to surrender, at least publicly; he's apparently ready to negotiate his exit. However, there is little doubt, among analysts, journalists, and Libyans in the streets of Tripoli, that this is the end of Muammar Gaddafi's 41-year rule. The question for now is: Will Gaddafi go quietly?

Earlier today a Syrian journalist reported that Gaddafi was dead, then he reported that he wasn’t dead and that they captured and wounded him, then he admitted that “Rebel sources say they spread false news of #Gaddafi’s death to encourage defections.”

With so much conflicting information and outright lies coming out of Libya, how can we know what is really going on?

Unfortunately, at this stage, we cannot. Clearly “rebel sources” are totally unreliable and will gladly tell lies to serve their own political ends.

I truly wish there was a reliable source we could turn to in order to know what is actually going on today in Libya but at this stage I cannot say there is such a source.

Let’s take a moment to analyze the recent tweets published by Malik Al-Abdeh, which are being treated with a disturbing amount of veracity.

About an hour before writing this article Al-Abdeh claimed, “100% Confirmed: Abu Zaid Dourda, head of #Gaddafi’s foreign intelligence, gave up G’s position in deal with #NTC.”

Of course his “100% Confirmed” story is completely contradicted by his later tweet in which he admitted that rebels have “deliberately spread false news” and thus every single one of his so-called sources is, at best, questionable.

He now claims that Gaddafi is in fact in detention, is being treated for wounds and is “en route to airport to fly out to #ICC [International Criminal Court] in Hague.”

Guess who gave him that tidbit of information? You guessed it, rebels. Therefore, his claims and “several corroborating reports from rebel sources” are totally worthless.

Just a few minutes later, Al-Abdeh admits that the claims that Gaddafi was wounded and captured are unconfirmed.

Taken with the reports of his son Saif being arrested while he is apparently not in jail, it is evident that at the very least, there is plenty of misleading propaganda being promulgated.
 
The celebrations are probably premature.

Saif has just appeared on TV again.
He seems to pop up out of nowhere every evening.
He's like a bladdy vampire:)

Maybe the plan is to let the rebels fire all their bullets celebrating,
then when they have run out, start the counterattack.

Crafty eh?
 
Kucinich: NATO must account for Libyan deaths

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A US lawmaker fiercely opposed to NATO's role in the Libya conflict called Tuesday for the alliance's military chiefs to be held to account under international law for the deaths of Libyan civilians.

"Otherwise we will have witnessed the triumph of a new international gangsterism," Democratic Representative Dennis Kucinich, a leading opponent in the US Congress to Washington's role in the fighting, said in a statement.

Kucinich said that NATO forces had flouted UN Security Council resolutions in acting as "the air force for the rebels, who could not have succeeded but for NATO's attacks" and had "illegally pursued regime change."

"NATO's top commanders may have acted under color of international law but they are not exempt from international law," he said, as rebels against Moamer Kadhafi captured the Libyan strongman's fortified Tripoli compound.

"If members of the Kadhafi regime are to be held accountable, NATO's top commanders must also be held accountable through the International Criminal Court for all civilian deaths resulting from bombing," said Kucinich.

NATO has insisted that its attacks are in keeping with UN resolutions passed this year which allow military action to protect civilians in Libya.

But UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has expressed alarm at the number of civilian casualties in the conflict, including those inflicted in NATO air strikes.

And NATO's air attacks have drawn harsh criticism from members of the UN Security Council, including Russia, China, Brazil, India and South Africa, who say the action goes beyond UN resolutions on Libya.



NATO's Bombs Led Rebel Advance

Dennis Kucinich


In March of this year, the US, France, Britain and their North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) allies launched military operations in Libya under the guise of a "humanitarian intervention." US diplomats and world leaders carelessly voiced unsubstantiated claims of an impending massacre in Benghazi. You hear no such appeals to humanity while NATO, in the name of the rebels (whoever they are), prepares to lay siege to Tripoli, a city of nearly 2 million people.

Libyan rebels are now advancing on the capital city of Tripoli with the aid of NATO strikes; this is sure to result in a real bloodbath, as opposed to the one that was conjured in Benghazi this past winter. NATO is assisting rebels who are blocking food, water and medical supplies from coming into the capital city, and is stopping those who need advanced medical care from travelling to Tunisia to access it. NATO is bombing power stations, creating blackouts, and using Apache helicopters to attack Libyan police checkpoints to clear roads for rebels to advance.

Regardless of whether Muammar Gaddafi is ousted in coming days, the war against Libya has seen countless violations of United Nations security council resolutions (UNSCRs) by NATO and UN member states. The funnelling of weapons (now being air-dropped) to Libyan rebels was, from the beginning of the conflict, in clear violation of UNSCR 1970. The use of military force on behalf of the rebels, in an attempt to impose regime change, has undermined international law and damaged the credibility of the United Nations. Countless innocent civilians have been killed, and NATO air strikes continue to place many at great risk.

So much for the humanitarian-inspired UNSCR 1973 as a means to protect civilians. The people of Libya cannot take another month of such humanitarian intervention.



Why doesn't Kucinich run against Obomber already? Does it have something to do with that ride on Air Force 1 in which he "changed" his mind about the healthcare bill?
 
This and That

Gustav said:

if so, why the surprise?

Because people want to be cynical about Western nations.

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Captain Kremmen said:

Tripoli has fallen with hardly a shot fired.

Unfortunately, as with earlier reports that Saif al-Islam had been captured, that's not accurate. The current tale, posted minutes ago, for the Wall Street Journal:

Libyans poured into streets surrounding Moammar Gadhafi's fortress-like compound in Tripoli on Tuesday, after rebels captured it following fierce street battles against forces loyal to the longtime ruler.

Streets around the Bab al-Aziziya compound rang with mortars, heavy machine-guns and antiaircraft guns throughout much of the day as rebels took up positions around the symbolic heart of Col. Gadhafi's regime ....

.... On Sunday, rebels swept into Col. Gadhafi's last stronghold city and the center of his nearly 42-year rule, and celebrated on the city's central Green Square.

But battles continued Monday. Forces loyal to Col. Gadhafi conducted lightning strikes on rebels, several neighborhoods appeared to remain in the control of loyalist soldiers and residents spoke of snipers situated in several neighborhoods.

Throughout Tuesday, forces loyal to Col. Gadhafi continued to battle through Tripoli's densely populated neighborhoods, attacking and defending patches of territory across the seemingly divided capital.

Still, though, compared to rumors that Qadafi would take down all of Tripoli with him in a doomsday stand, things seem to be going pretty well ... insofar as any war can go well.
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Notes:

Levinson, Charles. "Rebels Overrun Gadhafi Compound". The Wall Street Journal. August 23, 2011. Online.WSJ.com. August 23, 2011. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903327904576525652544535820.html
 
As usual, the press and TV hang around some statue that people are attacking.
I have seen that golden head being kicked around all day.
And that American plane being crushed in a big Ghaddafi hand.
Seems to be indestructible. Can't someone get a saw to it?
 
As usual, the press and TV hang around some statue that people are attacking.
I have seen that golden head being kicked around all day.
And that American plane being crushed in a big Ghaddafi hand.
Seems to be indestructible. Can't someone get a saw to it?

There are plenty of Golden Heads. Made in USA. Or China. Little difference.
 
They keep showing the same stuff .

The celebrations.
Firing of guns.
A city taken with no bloodshed.
A civil war that ends in handshakes and big smiles.
Unbelievable.
A miracle.

The conspiracy theorists will have fun with this one.

@G
The factories are probably churning them out right now.
 
Why doesn't Kucinich run against Obomber already? Does it have something to do with that ride on Air Force 1 in which he "changed" his mind about the healthcare bill?

Because he would be crazy to run against a successful policy? This is a big win for Obama!
 
Michael: "We get the oil and China doesn't. How nice for us."

China has the Iraqi oil with US troops guarding their offices and oil industry contracts in Iraq. They also get oil from the Sudan. With Germany bringing in Chinese investments at a soaring rate I'm sure they will probably get their hands on Libyan oil just as they had under Qaddafi. We're nice, we share.
I have a feeling that the USA is mainly concerned with maintaining the USD as the World Reserve currency. China funded the war, by buying USD, they get some oil. What do we care? By we I mean the Federal Reserve and US Politicians who need that sweet USD to keep their bullshit afloat. IOWs, I think the goal is to maintain the USD as the reserve currency. Why else give China the spoils? It only seems reasonable because we get to print money. At the end of the day the oil goes to where it's purchased, which is done in USD.

The USA doesn't play nice.
 
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The statue remains intact.
All around things are pockmarked with celebration bullets.
What the hell is it made of?


Could the Colonel be inside?
Is this his bunker?
 
Those aren't celebration bullets' marks.
Gadhafi used to say "f--k USA, f--k the west, .. and he's usual crap (not exactly the word f--k, but that meaning...), so USA sent some jets, and bombed he's palace as a responce, he's son died in that, so he left the palace unrepaire like that, to show how he "challenged" the western politics, and that statue is made after that, because he did take a jet down, so he made that "symbole"
 
Tripoli has fallen with hardly a shot fired.
Broken statues of the leader will be lined up on eBay and sold at dawn.
But where is Ghaddafi?

Could the fox of all desert foxes be beaten so easily?

1 Air power. 2 he wasn't beaten so easily. How many months is this? How long ago did our media first tell us Tripoli was about to fall any day?


About air power: How quickly did the Norther Alliance in Afghanistan take over most of Afghanistan from Taliban when they got the support of US Air power? Does anybody today pretend today that the Northern Alliance had more supporters than the Taliban did?

Moderates don't fight, at least they don't fight until late in the game. Moderates stay inside and try to keep the families and material possessions out of harms way while they leave the fighting to more opinionated people and people who get off on the idea of being heroes.

Our media is damn near useless at reporting truth. The tell us what we want to hear and they tell us what they are told by the governments and corporations feeding them propaganda. Mostly they plagiarize each other.

I don't doubt that the majority opposed Gaddafi prior to the West getting involved but when attacked by foreign powers people normally rally around their leaders. Some including I believe Fisk were going against the dominant Western media narrative by saying the majority were as of a few months ago supporting Gaddafi against the rebels. First hand reports from near Benghazi a few months ago said the fighting was unpaid irregulars versus unpaid irregulars.

Israel created a narrative of a rag tag under armed Jewish people defeating fully equipped Arab Armys but in truth those Jews were better armed and better prepared than their enemies. David killed goliath with a slingshot. Movie after movie has the outgunned miraculously coming out victorious. But is the story true?

Tripoli has fallen with hardly a shot fired.
Broken statues of the leader will be lined up on eBay and sold at dawn.
But where is Ghaddafi?
Very recent today :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/libya-rebels-face-pockets-of-resistance-2342903.html

From the article
"The rebels claim they control the Tripoli airport but are still clashing with Gaddafi forces in the streets around it."

What are these defeated guys fighting for if nobody opposes the rebels? What is this hardly a shot fired stuff if it took the rebels months to conquer Tripoli with the support of allied foreign control of the sky and still after the conquest of Tripololi the battle for Tripoli does not end.

The media does not care much about accuracy. We can believe them if we want to.
 
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Those aren't celebration bullets' marks.
Gadhafi used to say "f--k USA, f--k the west, .. and he's usual crap (not exactly the word f--k, but that meaning...), so USA sent some jets, and bombed he's palace as a responce, he's son died in that, so he left the palace unrepaire like that, to show how he "challenged" the western politics, and that statue is made after that, because he did take a jet down, so he made that "symbole"

Aaaaah. Mystery solved.
Thanks for the history lesson, Shadow.
That does make sense.

btw Your English is getting very good.
 
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Because he would be crazy to run against a successful policy? This is a big win for Obama!

How typical.

Successful how? Inventing enemies in the guise of protecting innocent civilians, while bombing innocent civilians?

Let's give him another Nobel while we're at it.
 
What I find so funny about this whole charade, is how many so-called "Progressive" Democrats are fully behind Obama, backing any all warmonger activities. Invade Tripoli, perfect fine. Put down Shia in KSA, Yemen or Bahrain, yup, that's fine too. Soon we'll have Islamists running Tripoli and we'll be bombing them too.

How much oil do you suppose the "Islamists" Rebels will have to send to Europe to pay for Libya? How much money will they need to send to the USA? How much interest will NATO members pay to the US Fed so we can continue shoring up the destruction of American cities with cheap credit and welfare?
 
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The statue remains intact.
All around things are pockmarked with celebration bullets.
What the hell is it made of?


Could the Colonel be inside?
Is this his bunker?

They figured it would be cheaper just to keep it for when the new Islamic government decides to hate the U.S....
 
Soon we'll have Islamists running Tripoli and we'll be bombing them too.

Yep. The "freedom" fighters and liberators are being told that they are incapable of actually running the country once they succeed, meaning that they will be openly run by foreign politics and advisers. What happens if and when they go wild and defiant, both to their loving overlords in the West, and to the loyalists? There are many reports since the beginning of this of the rebels engaged in what could only be called war crimes. And there is the connection to "Al Qaeda" and religious extremism.
All of that thrown into the pot is a recipe for butchery and bloodbath at the hands of NATO. NATO will probably have to crush down the rebels at some point, and people like the goatlord will always say "How Wonderful!" We do what we need to do, regardless of how many people die and who we double cross.

Cheer on Gaddafi! He's our partner in the war on terror - John McCain's own words not too long ago. Now McCain is calling for blood. These two-faced psychos and sociopaths have no honor, no integrity, and no compassion. They are masters of the lie; vampires who sap the lifeforce of our country and the world.
These people are adept at taking a handful of beaten down protesters and making it a humanitarian issue that ends in cities in flame and rubble.
Humanitarian


How much oil do you suppose the "Islamists" Rebels will have to send to Europe to pay for Libya? How much money will they need to send to the USA? How much interest will NATO members pay to the US Fed so we can continue shoring up the destruction of American cities with cheap credit and welfare?

Aye. I have been thinking this the whole time. Like all the frozen assets of the legitimate Libya... how much you wanna bet those will be dangled like carrots? "Oh, you can have them, but we'll give it to the World Bank, and lend you your own money for a small bit of interest! Sound good?"
How much you wanna freakin bet that these people will now be paying dues to foreign money interests, just to live on their own property??? The "free market" will bleed them dry. I am quite positive (in a negative way!) that Libya is going to be permanently downgraded as to standard of living and economic prosperity.

Course, I live in Flyover Territory, so I'm just blathering in the only manner I know how.
 
Cheer on Gaddafi! He's our partner in the war on terror - John McCain's own words not too long ago. Now McCain is calling for blood. These two-faced psychos and sociopaths have no honor, no integrity, and no compassion.

It took me a while to come to a conclusion about John McCains Maverickness. I don't think he is bright enough to understand some things and I don't think he has the patience to give a damn about what comes out of his mouth and that makes him seem refreshingly candid.

I was surprised when McCain while speaking at a gathering of blue collar union workers told them that no Americans would be willing to pick lettuce in Arizona for $50 an hour and that this is why America needs illegal immigrants. When the Union workers laughed in response to this McCain got flustered and started trying to tell the Union workers that they could not physically do the lettuce picking work which while perhaps true does not change the absurdity of McCain's statement.

McCain maybe two faced on Illegal immigration. I am quite sure he still believes the lettuce farmers argument that illegal immigrants are necessary and good for America and that Americans are unwilling to do hard dirty work. McCain has figured out that most Arizonans don't like so many Mexicans being in Arizona so McCain now pretends to be against illegal immigration. On wars I don't think McCain is two faced he just is not fazed by changing alliances. He is enthusiastic for whoever America's allies happen to be in the moment and filled with hate for whoever America's enemies happen to be in the moment and he does not think about the implications of good guys suddenly becoming bad guys and bad guys suddenly becoming good guys.

I think McCain deeply needs to see the US involvement in Vietnam as heroic. Anything vaguely similar to the US involvement in Vietnam must also unquestionably be considered heroic. McCain was tortured and suffered for years in a Vietnamese prisoner of war camp and McCain dropped bombs that killed hundreds or thousands of people and McCain does not want to hear that his sacrifice was for a worthless cause. To believe in the rightness of the Vietnam war requires believing in the rightness America asserting itself all over the world and using dominance to make a better world safe from the scary bad men whoever they hapen to be at the moment.
 
Nirakar, your assessment of McCain seems pretty close to the truth.

Then again, I'm not always willing to rule out the possibility that some of our politicians are really consciously opportunistic and evil.
 
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