well i suggest that you attempt to do so if you are going to converse in this topic-- it only would be fair to do so, correct?
What evidence would work?
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exchemist
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Incorrect. It is you who seems to say this evidence is there. So you show me.
As always, the burden of providing the evidence rests on the person making the claim.
"Leaked government documents" have purported to prove everything from FEMA "concentration camps" to the JFK shooting conspiracy to the "we never landed on the moon" conspiracy to the 9/11 truthers. I tend to disregard such claims unless they have some backing other than an illegible photocopy of a vaguely related government document.
the actual question simply was, " have such thoughts? "
ahh--yes, typical..
(shakes head)-- I just gave a link that has possible circumstantial evidence.
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exchemist
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ahh--yes, typical..
(shakes head)-- I just gave a link that has possible circumstantial evidence.[/QUOTE]Yes I saw your link. But these were simply reports of some remarks by an apparently nutty Canadian minister, with no supporting evidence or things like the Daily Mail. That's a good example of what I mean by crap.
ahh-- i see, you step in this conversation claiming that you are unaware of this stuff, so i provide aware-ness to you and ask you to at least to skim some of it, and then you refuse, stating that i have to submit proof. i simply gave a link a few minutes ago-- why are you initiating these shenanigans?
i am not sure why you are adding in other subjects, this is a specific topic. i am also going to ask you that, have you ever , tangibly, held/touched any high clearance documents in your life(i already know the answer.
)?
(shrugs)-- okay.
exchemist
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Firstly I am not initiating anything: I am responding to your interjection into my response to Ivan Seeking.
Secondly, I asked whether you can quote any examples that you consider are reliable and corroborate each other, to the point that they suggest something significant that is not just an artifact or a phenomenon of group psychology.
And you reply with the unsupported opinions of a nutty Canadian minister and the Daily Mail.
How about a proper report, in a decent newspaper or media channel, such as the BBC, for example? Or better still, a report of a scientific investigation of some UFO phenomenon that concludes there is something novel that warrants further study.
again, that is just the tip of the iceberg. he is not the only one. and also, why are you labeling him nutty?-- the fact that you dodged my question of the pilot's and astronaut's claims speaks volumes. it speaks that you have no clue what can be reality and what cannot be reality, and then simply jumping on the bandwagon of the typical shenanigans. you refuse to at least skim some of what i have provided while telling me to submit and then claiming the usual-- " that is not evidence because i say it is not "-- comical.
just because these stories have been reiterated by "crap " sites does not mean the original data/information is not true nor incorrect. funny, secluded anthropocentric thinking.
(shakes head)
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simply read some of what i have link an half hour ago that you are refusing to do so--
(shrugs)anyone whom is actually interested in the conversation and not just interested in the pathetic argumentative shenanigans, can easily search anything i have stated-- simply just do it- have the will to actually understand and not the will just to ridicule and such.
there is a phrase-- " no one listens to communicate nor understand, they listen in order to talk.
again, secluded anthropocentric thinking.
(shakes head)
agian, why are you labeling him as nutty and why is it unsupported?
what about the government documents that have been leaked?-- oh my that is right, it is not evidence simply because public individuals do not believe it, even though they have no clue what a real document even looks like, let alone never have even touched one-- only, simply, because the public says so-- comical.
again, the whole argument is simply: " if the public is unsure of the reality, then the reality must not exist."
(shakes head)
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exchemist
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All there is is an interview with this guy who was a minister back in the 1960s, and all he does is make a load of assertions. There is no evidence, of any kind whatever, for anything he says, in the references you cited.
I'm not reading any more junk like this. Give me a decent reference from a journal or media outlet of repute, or that's it.
exchemist
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Give me a reference to one of these, if they exist, as you say they do, and let's by all means examine it and discuss it.what about the government documents that have been leaked?-- oh my that is right, it is not evidence simply because public individuals do not believe it, even though they have no clue what a real document even looks like, let alone never have even touched one-- only, simply, because the public says so.-- comical.
again, the whole argument is simply: " if the public is unsure of the reality, then the reality must not exist."
again, at least skim through of what you cliam there is " no " of-- comical.
from your comments above, we are right back to the " that is not evidence because i say it is not "-- comical.
except i have already and i have been attempting to discuses it, but you chose to side-step and spew instead.
(shrugs)
exchemist
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No, you haven't.except i have already and i have been attempting to discuses it, but you chose to side-step and spew instead.
There are no goverment reports, so far as I can see, in the Google link you posted. All there is is a handful of second hand claims, by doubtful media outlets, of what some government employees seem to be alleged to have said. That is quite different and no good as far as I'm concerned. I'm not reading shit just to make you happy.
If you are serious you will do better than this. If not, I'm out of this discussion with you.
Yes. Why?i am not sure why you are adding in other subjects, this is a specific topic. i am also going to ask you that, have you ever , tangibly, held/touched any high clearance documents in your life(i already know the answer.