Why we sail to Gaza

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First the Nazi occupiers of Warsaw built a wall around its Jewish ghetto, enclosing 440,000 Jews. Next, they denied nearly all ingress and egress. Then they cut food, fuel and power. They deported and killed increasing numbers numbers of Jews. When the Jewish inhabitants waged armed resistance, they were branded as “terrorists” and ruthlessly destroyed, along with the entire ghetto and all but a few survivors. At each stage, Nazi leaders watched for world reaction. When there was none, they took license to commit greater horrors.

More than ten years ago Israel began building a wall around Gaza, and made it higher and more fortified five years later. Since then, the entry and exit of Palestinians and visitors has dwindled to a trickle. Israel has halted the export of all goods produced in Gaza. Israel withholds Palestinian money used to pay salaries. It ruthlessly attacks and assassinates persons that it accuses of participating in armed resistance that it brands “terrorism,” along with a larger number of civilians that it calls “collateral damage.” Recently, it even refused to allow children’s schoolbooks into Gaza. Israel, too, has paused at each stage to gauge world reaction. Seeing none, it raises the level of misery & suffering for the 1.4 million Palestinian people of Gaza, nearly half of them children.

On Wednesday, September 19, 2007, the Israeli cabinet unanimously decided to authorize sanctions on supplies of electricity, fuel, water and other basic goods and services to the civilian population of Gaza. Having turned the tiny Gaza Strip into a prison where the inmates must fend for themselves, Israel is putting them on half rations and denying them sanitation and even candles to light the darkness imposed by the lack of electricity.

The U.S. government and nearly every candidate for President and Congress have overwhelmingly endorsed Israel’s action. However, a few voices refuse to endorse war crimes. That is why the Free Gaza Movement will take a small group of boats to Gaza in May 2008, and try to enter by sea, the only route that Israel has not walled off. We will carry only food, medicine and visitors wishing to show solidarity. Those visitors will be Israelis, Palestinians, and citizens from all over the world. They will include Catholic priests, nuns, rabbis, imams, Buddhist priests, actors, entertainers, journalists and politicians.

We will not seek Israeli permission because we will not pass through Israeli territory. Although Palestinians in Gaza desperately need relief supplies, they need freedom even more. Our voyage is therefore intended to exercise Palestinian sovereignty by accepting invitations from Palestinian institutions still functioning in Gaza, without clearance from Israeli authorities. We hope to be the first visitors to enter Palestinian territory on Palestinian authority alone.

Raphael Lemkin, the Polish Jewish lawyer, who coined the term genocide in 1943, described it as “...the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives....would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.”

We therefore do not have to believe that Israel will go as far as Nazi Germany to recognize that it is nevertheless committing genocide upon the Palestinian people. The victims of past genocides call upon us to cry out, “Never again!” That is why some of us will sail to Gaza next May, and why all of us must hold Israel accountable for its actions. To do nothing is to tell Israel that the world is once again ready to tolerate crimes against humanity.

(Hedy Epstein is a Jewish Holocaust survivor, living in St. Louis, MO. Dr. Paul Larudee is a piano technician, living in El Cerrito, CA. Both are human rights volunteers, who participate in the Palestinian non-violent resistance movement.)

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/why_we_sail_to_gaza/0014672
http://www.freegaza.org
 
Idiotic comparison, Sam. The Jews in Warsaw didn't shoot rockets and missiles into Germany-held territory, nor did they strap explosives to their bodies intent upon killing German women and children in open, public marketplaces and weddings.

The Israelis should take a lesson from history ...the way we Americans finally ended the same/similar terrorism in the American west with the terrorist Native Americans.

Baron Max
 
The Israelis should take a lesson from history ...the way we Americans finally ended the same/similar terrorism in the American west with the terrorist Native Americans.

Baron Max

You are lost.
The worst you could possibly say about NAs in relation to European settlers is that sometimes their acts were as bad as the Europeans.

You don't know history. You believe what they told you in those social studies textbooks oh so long ago when they were pure propaganda and patriotic crap without even a little self-questioning. Oddly many people in your generation noticed that there was more to the story or smelled the lies directly.
 
The worst you could possibly say about NAs in relation to European settlers is that sometimes their acts were as bad as the Europeans.

Well, you can say or believe anything you want, but we got rid of the problem of the NAs attacking and killing Americans. It should be obvious to you and anyone else that the tactic worked damned well.

We tried winning the "hearts n' minds" of the NAs, and it didn't work, so we tried a tactic that worked ....and one that you can't argue that it didn't work!

Baron Max
 
Mod Note - Wrong again, Max

Mod Note - Wrong again, Max

Baron Max said:

Yeah, but Tiassa gave me an infraction for it! ...LOL!

Wrong again, Max. You were issued a warning (note the yellow card) for advocating biological warfare and genocide. Read the infraction message. Oh, wait, you did. And you still don't understand?
 
Mod Note - Wrong again, Max



Wrong again, Max. You were issued a warning (note the yellow card) for advocating biological warfare and genocide. Read the infraction message. Oh, wait, you did. And you still don't understand?

Hmm, I didn't say a word about biological warfare!

And as to genocide, isn't that where an entire people are killed off? If so, then I didn't advocate that either ...nor is it what the early Americans did to the NAs in the west. They only killed off enough to stop the terrorism ....and it worked damned well, didn't it? But it wasn't genocide ...there's still a lot of NAs in the USA, and I'm part Cherokee, too.

Baron Max
 
Is Baron trying to shift the boundaries in kicking ass? I don't know!

Well, coddling and winning "hearts n' minds" ain't worked since ...well, since never in history. But kickin' ass has worked all throughout history ...for the ones who CAN kick ass!

Perhaps we should have tried diplomacy and wimpy attitudes during World War II? Geez, I can just see Hitler and Tojo bowing their heads in shame at being such bad guys .....and backing down and giving up in the face of such embarrassment and shame. ....can't you? :D

Baron Max
 
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Baron Max said:

Hmm, I didn't say a word about biological warfare!

Biological warfare was part of the solution you've advocated.

And as to genocide, isn't that where an entire people are killed off? If so, then I didn't advocate that either

That it failed doesn't mean it wasn't tried. That is the solution you've advocated.

If you are genuinely ignorant of the history of what happened on the American continent, I suggest you spend some time learning about it. If, however, you insist on continuing to disrupt topics with inflammatory posts, do it somewhere other than EM&J.
 
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Biological warfare was part of the solution you've advocated.


Huh??? Where? When?

As to genocide, I didn't advocate that either!! I advocate fighting when necessary to do the job that has to be done! If the Muslim terrorists continue to fight, then we should continue to fight them ....with every means necessary to end the fighting.

As to my history lessons, I think the end result speaks volumes!

Baron Max
 
Mod Hat - Last chance, Max

If you don't like my rules, go to SFOG and start a topic about it. If you don't have anything valuable to contribute to this topic, then stay out of it. Further digression will bring infraction points.
 
Mod Hat - Last chance, Max

If you don't like my rules, go to SFOG and start a topic about it. If you don't have anything valuable to contribute to this topic, then stay out of it. Further digression will bring infraction points.

Yep, see what power can do? All you have to do is learn to wield it over those who can't resist ...in exactly the same way it's been done for millions of years of human existence. The powerful will always win ...and the wimps will continue to complain and want to use "diplomacy" and try to win "hearts n' minds".

You're using exactly the same tactics, Tiassa .....show the power, show the force, and you'll win.

Baron Max
 
A small country cannot contend with a great; the few cannot contend with the many; the weak cannot contend with the strong - Mencius
 
Idiotic comparison, Sam. The Jews in Warsaw didn't shoot rockets and missiles into Germany-held territory, nor did they strap explosives to their bodies intent upon killing German women and children in open, public marketplaces and weddings.

The Israelis should take a lesson from history ...the way we Americans finally ended the same/similar terrorism in the American west with the terrorist Native Americans.

Baron Max

Interesting how the so called upholders of freedom endorse and support an occupation.

Could you guess what your fate would have been in Warsaw?


The significant precursor to the main fighting was an armed insurgency launched against the Germans and their Jewish collaborators on January 18, 1943. The main fighting lasted from April 19, 1943 to May 16 of that year, when the poorly-armed and supplied resistance was crushed by troops under the command of SS-Gruppenführer (then Brigadeführer) Jürgen Stroop.

Żydowski Związek Wojskowy, ŻZW) and Jewish Combat Organization (Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa, ŻOB) resistance organizations took control of the Ghetto. They built dozens of fighting posts and killed the Jews they considered to be Nazi collaborators, including Jewish Police officers and Gestapo agents[2] (a prison was established by the ŻOB for the execution of several traitors and collaborators[4]). Józef Szeryński, former head of the Jewish Police, committed suicide.[5]

As the frustrated Germans diverted additional resources to end the standoff, during the next three months all inhabitants of the Ghetto prepared for what they realized would be their final fight. Hundreds of camouflaged bunkier shelters were dug under the houses, most connected through the sewage system and linked up with the central water supply and electricity. The Warsaw Ghetto territory was divided into military districts; each organization was responsible for its district.

The Ghetto fighters were armed with pistols and revolvers, a few rifles and one machine gun (three machine guns according to some sources). They had little ammunition, and relied heavily on improvised explosive devices and incendiary bottles. Few more weapons were supplied through the uprising, or captured from the Germans.

The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943 is sometimes confused with the Warsaw Uprising of 1944. The two events were separated in time, and were quite different in aim. The first, in the Ghetto, was a choice to die fighting - with a slight hope of escape, rather than a sure death in an extermination camp, with the moment to fight being chosen as the last moment when the strength to fight was still available. The second was a coordinated action, part of the larger Operation Tempest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
 
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No Baron is right , it is a shitty comparison. Really shitty.
Whatever one thinks of SAM's comparison, Baron's summation of native americans as terrorists as a justification of settler and later US relations with NAs was vile and really quite a sad joke.
 
Hmm, I didn't say a word about biological warfare!

And as to genocide, isn't that where an entire people are killed off? If so, then I didn't advocate that either ...nor is it what the early Americans did to the NAs in the west. They only killed off enough to stop the terrorism ....and it worked damned well, didn't it? But it wasn't genocide ...there's still a lot of NAs in the USA, and I'm part Cherokee, too.

Baron Max
In case you haven't noticed Jews survived Hilter.
biological warfare in a couple of different senses of the word was used against native americans and if you knew more about history you would know this.
by any definition of terrorism european settlers engaged in terrorism against natives whose land they took, who they intentionally poisoned, whose food supplies they destroying intentionally. Some tribes were destroyed completely, hence genocide even by your extreme definition. They lived here we came, we took, europeans hallucinated Manifest Destiny and felt they were entitled to the land. NA were killed for money, for fun. Their children were taken from them and forbidden to speak their own languages. Their religious practices were often forbidden. Not to speak of mass rape, mass killings, a consistent practice of break treaties and other false negotiation practices. Calling NAs terrorists is ludicrous and a sad comment on your ignorance.
 
...by any definition of terrorism european settlers engaged in terrorism against natives whose land they took, who they intentionally poisoned, whose food supplies they destroying intentionally. Some tribes were destroyed completely, hence genocide even by your extreme definition. They lived here we came, we took, europeans hallucinated Manifest Destiny and felt they were entitled to the land. NA were killed for money, for fun. Their children were taken from them and forbidden to speak their own languages. Their religious practices were often forbidden. Not to speak of mass rape, mass killings, a consistent practice of break treaties and other false negotiation practices.

Whatever ...the tactic worked and we took possession of the land ....and we still have it and we made it productive. And, I might add, mostly the NAs and those problems have long since been forgotten except for a few radicals and a few historians.

Calling NAs terrorists is ludicrous and a sad comment on your ignorance.

The winner gets to do the name-calling. When the losers do it, they're just being wimps and losers.

Baron Max
 
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