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Singularity said:
Do u think that acceleration can influence time ticks inside a molecule.
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Certainly. Everything is affected, right down to the sub-atomic level.

BTW the geostationary satellites, do ticks slowdown or speedup above there ?
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They slow down. The GPS satellites have to be continually updated to make up for the microseconds that they loose. Enough is lost to affect their accuracy if they aren't. However, those (no need for names) that refuse to accept time dilation as a very real event probably don't believe this fact is true either.
 
Read-Only said:
Certainly. Everything is affected, right down to the sub-atomic level...
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Ya sure but isnt it actually due to the fact that the nucleus of the atom bang on the outer shell of the atom.

Now thats not time dilation, or else my refrigerator will become much more efficient time dilator. :D
 
Singularity: acceleration doesn't "cause" time dilation. Yes you need acceleration for the twins to get back together and see that one has experienced time dilation. But it's the different velocities that "causes" the time dilation. You can see this if you run the Twin's Paradox scenario twice, both with the same accelerations, but one with a much longer coasting time.
 
Farsight said:
Singularity: acceleration doesn't "cause" time dilation. Yes you need acceleration for the twins to get back together and see that one has experienced time dilation. But it's the different velocities that "causes" the time dilation. You can see this if you run the Twin's Paradox scenario twice, both with the same accelerations, but one with a much longer coasting time.
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I think that the time displacement causes the acceleration.
 
Ya sure but isnt it actually due to the fact that the nucleus of the atom bang on the outer shell of the atom.
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You've got atoms and M&M's confused in this post...
 
Yup, part of the "lies to children" teaching of science... but Singularhilarity needs to catch up.
 
Oli said:
Yup, part of the "lies to children" teaching of science... but Singularhilarity needs to catch up.
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So does your junior high says anything about what exactly ticks in a atomic clock ?

Or did u just pick it up as rag pickers pick crap going around thrash.
 
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Wow, this thread sure has evolved.

Oli: Atoms don't have an "outer shell"

Ophiolite: They do in any high school chemistry class, or in the Bohr model of the atom.
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There are two different uses of the word "shell" at play here, methinks. Oli's hard "outer shell" and Ophiolite's "outer shell" (of electrons) aren't the same thing. The outer shell of electrons in QM is just the set of electrons with the highest principal quantum number. The Bohr model disagrees with QM on just which or how many electrons are in the outer shell, because the Bohr model handles angular momentum incorrectly.

Singularity said:
So no chance of nucleus being bombarded by the electron surrounding it ?
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Only for s-wave electrons does the wavefunction not vanish at the nucleus. For all higher angular momentum states it does vanish at the nucleus.
 
So does your junior high says anything about what exactly ticks in a atomic clock ?
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Wouldn't know, as "junior high" (whatever that is) is decades behind me. Having seen the level of "science education", or what passes for it in loads of school kids these days, they probably get told it's hamsters running in wheels.

Or did u just pick it up as rag pickers pick crap going around thrash.
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Never seen anyone pick up thrash.
 
Tom2 said:
There are two different uses of the word "shell" at play here, methinks. Oli's hard "outer shell" and Ophiolite's "outer shell" (of electrons) aren't the same thing. The outer shell of electrons in QM is just the set of electrons with the highest principal quantum number. The Bohr model disagrees with QM on just which or how many electrons are in the outer shell, because the Bohr model handles angular momentum incorrectly.
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Nicely clarified. Thank you. It saved me the effort.:)
 
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