If that's true, why have you not investigated and posted on both sides of the argument?
Vaccine related autism study?
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Aaaaand away we go. The rest comes out of the standard conspiracy theory playbook.
I fully support your right to not get vaccinated if you do not want to. But if you want to put the health of America's kids at risk because of bullshit conspiracy theories, well . . . fortunately the anti-vaxxers are being marginalized as the latest measles outbreak puts things back into perspective for people.
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Did you even watch the video. Probably not. Who would want their faith in the CDC undermined? So much easier just to float along with whatever they say eh? THEY would never cover anything up. THEY'RE scientists afterall! lol!
Like Andrew Wakefield!
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He was until the court systems destroyed him. But heck, we all know the courts don't decide what is science, don't we? Or DO they?
"In a recently published December 13, 2012 vaccine court ruling, hundreds of thousands of dollars were awarded to Ryan Mojabi, whose parents described how “MMR vaccinations,” caused a “severe and debilitating injury to his brain, diagnosed as Autism Spectrum Disorder (‘ASD’).”
Later the same month, the government suffered a second major defeat when young Emily Moller from Houston won compensation following vaccine-related brain injury that, once again, involved MMR and resulted in autism. The cases follow similar successful petitions in the Italian and US courts (including Hannah Poling [ii], Bailey Banks [iii], Misty Hyatt [iv], Kienan Freeman [v], Valentino Bocca [vi], and Julia Grimes [vii]) in which the governments conceded or the court ruled that vaccines had caused brain injury. In turn, this injury led to an ASD diagnosis. MMR vaccine was the common denominator in these cases.
And today, scientists and physicians from Wake Forest University, New York, and Venezuela, reported findings that not only confirm the presence of intestinal disease in children with autism and intestinal symptoms, but also indicate that this disease may be novel. [viii] Using sophisticated laboratory methods Dr. Steve Walker and his colleagues endorsed Wakefield’s original findings by showing molecular changes in the children’s intestinal tissues that were highly distinctive and clearly abnormal.
From 1998 Dr. Wakefield discovered and reported intestinal disease in children with autism. [ix] Based upon the medical histories of the children he linked their disease and their autistic regression to the Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR vaccine). He has since been subjected to relentless personal and professional attacks in the media, and from governments, doctors and the pharmaceutical industry. In the wake of demonstrably false and highly damaging allegations of scientific fraud by British journalist Brian Deer and the British Medical Journal, Dr. Wakefield is pursuing defamation proceedings against them in Texas. [x]
While repeated studies from around the world confirmed Wakefield’s bowel disease in autistic children [xi] and his position that safety studies of the MMR are inadequate, [xii] Dr. Wakefield ’s career has been destroyed by false allegations. Despite this he continues to work tirelessly to help solve the autism catastrophe.
The incidence of autism has rocketed to a risk of around 1 in 25 for children born today. Mean while governments, absent any explanation and fearing loss of public trust, continue to deny the vaccine autism connection despite the concessions in vaccine court.
Speaking from his home in Austin, Texas, Dr. Wakefield said,
"There can be very little doubt that vaccines can and do cause autism. In these children, the evidence for a n adverse reaction involving brain injury following the MMR that progresses to an autism diagnosis is compelling. It’s now a question of the body count. The parents’ story was right all along. Governments must stop playing with words while children continue to be damaged . My hope is that recognition of the intestinal disease in these children will lead to the relief of their suffering. This is long , long overdue .”====http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/201...ch-on-autism-again-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism/
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Ah, so he's your new hero! A brilliant, hardworking doctor who was destroyed by the corrupt courts. Big Pharma must have destroyed him to keep him quiet.
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Andrew Wakefield
The British General Medical Council (GMC) conducted an inquiry into allegations of misconduct against Wakefield and two former colleagues. The investigation centred on Deer's numerous findings, including that children with autism were subjected to unnecessary invasive medical procedures,such as colonoscopy and lumbar puncture, and that Wakefield acted without the required ethical approval from an institutional review board.
On 28 January 2010, a five-member statutory tribunal of the GMC found three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally challenged children. The panel ruled that Wakefield had "failed in his duties as a responsible consultant", acted both against the interests of his patients, and "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his published research.The Lancet immediately and fully retracted his 1998 publication on the basis of the GMC's findings, noting that elements of the manuscript had been falsified. The Lancet's editor-in-chief Richard Horton said the paper was "utterly false" and that the journal had been "deceived".Three months later, Wakefield was struck off the Medical Register in May 2010, with a statement identifying deliberate falsification in The Lancet research,and is barred from practising medicine in the UK.
In January 2011, an editorial accompanying an article by Brian Deer in BMJ identified Wakefield's work as an "elaborate fraud". In a follow-up article,Deer said that Wakefield had planned to launch a venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing".In November 2011, yet another report in BMJ revealed original raw data indicating that, contrary to Wakefield's claims in The Lancet, children in his research did not have inflammatory bowel disease.
Wakefield's study and his claim that the MMR vaccine might cause autism led to a decline in vaccination rates in the United States, United Kingdom and Ireland and a corresponding rise in measles and mumps, resulting in serious illness and deaths, and his continued warnings against the vaccine have contributed to a climate of distrust of all vaccines and the reemergence of other previously controlled diseases.
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But why would he do it? Could it be money? "Wakefield applied for a patent on a single-jab measles vaccine before his campaign against the MMR vaccine." Interesting! So he stood to make millions if he could cause fear/uncertainty/panic over a rival's vaccine.
So a corrupt, discredited doctor who abuses developmentally challenged children to try to make millions, and in the process causes thousands of deaths, is your new hero. I assume you will now take up his cause?
The real sufferers in this nonsense are people who actually have autism. In perpetuating this nonsense, whether you realize it or not, you're pertetuating the stereotype that being diagnosed with an autistic spectrum disorder is the worst thing that could happen to you ever.
Don't you think that's more than a little sick?
Herd immunity works, it's basic probability theory - probably why it seems to be beyond the grasp of 90% of the population.
Don't you think that's more than a little sick?
Herd immunity works, it's basic probability theory - probably why it seems to be beyond the grasp of 90% of the population.
There's another question that needs to be asked in relation to that graph - what of the definition of autistic spectrum disorders and how that has changed. Autistic spectrum disorders are defined much more broadly in DSM-IV than they were in DSM-III, for example.
DSM-III Infantile Autism said:
DSM-V Autistic Spectrum Disorder said:
That's one of the (many) points that this particular aspect of the discussion misses and it's a fairly fundamental question. Has the diseases rate changed or is it the criteria for diagnosis that has changed.
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That is true.
That is another reason why the missing information is vital to understand the whole data.
The graph does show rises in autism coinciding with increased amounts of mercury, but that could be due to changes in diagnosis.
They are now blaming aluminium which wouldn't cause problems unless the child was very ill.
The insert referred to earlier said that aluminium could cause problems if given to children with "impaired" kidneys.
The manufacturer is erring on the side of caution.
Kidneys perform their functions adequately until they are severely damaged. and the levels of aluminium are not excessive.
That is another reason why the missing information is vital to understand the whole data.
The graph does show rises in autism coinciding with increased amounts of mercury, but that could be due to changes in diagnosis.
They are now blaming aluminium which wouldn't cause problems unless the child was very ill.
The insert referred to earlier said that aluminium could cause problems if given to children with "impaired" kidneys.
The manufacturer is erring on the side of caution.
Kidneys perform their functions adequately until they are severely damaged. and the levels of aluminium are not excessive.
The FDA figures are actual intake of aluminium, not recommended maximum intake.
All your figures show is that on the days of vaccination, the amount of aluminium is increased.
Seeing as there is aluminium in the vaccine, this is not very surprising.
By the way, here's more recent data on autism rates:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html?mobile=nocontent
They have indeed continued to rise, thus difinitively falsifying the mercury in vaccines hypothesis.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html?mobile=nocontent
They have indeed continued to rise, thus difinitively falsifying the mercury in vaccines hypothesis.
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"Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration [i.e., injected into the body] if kidney function is impaired. . Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates [i.e., babies], who received parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day, accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity. Tissue loading [i.e., toxic buildup in certain body tissues] may occur at even lower rates of administration." For a tiny newborn, this toxic dose would be 10 to 20 mcg; for an adult, it would be about 350 mcg.
The second document discusses aluminum content in IV feeding solutions, or Total Parenteral Nutrition (TPN) solutions. The FDA requires these solutions to contain no more than 25 mcg of aluminum per liter of solution. A typical adult in the hospital would get around 1 liter of TPN each day, thus about 25 mcg of aluminum. The FDA document also states, "Aluminum content in parenteral drug products could result in a toxic accumulation of aluminum in individuals receiving TPN therapy. Research indicates that neonates and patient populations with impaired kidney function may be at high risk of exposure to unsafe amounts of aluminum. Studies show that aluminum may accumulate in the bone, urine, and plasma of infants receiving TPN. Many drug products used routinely in parenteral therapy may contain levels of aluminum sufficiently high to cause clinical manifestations [i.e., symptoms]. . . Aluminum toxicity is difficult to identify in infants because few reliable techniques are available to evaluate bone metabolism in premature infants. . . Although aluminum toxicity is not commonly detected clinically, it can be serious in selected patient populations, such as neonates, and may be more common than is recognized."2
Elsewhere, I found a relevant 2004 statement by the American Society for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition (ASPEN), a group that monitors oral and injectable nutritional products for safety and side effects. It reiterated the cited FDA warnings to the letter, and recommended that doctors purchase IV products with the lowest aluminum content possible, "and should monitor changes in the pharmaceutical market that may affect aluminum concentrations."3
The source of the daily limit of 4 to 5 mcg of aluminum per kilogram of body weight quoted by the ASPEN statement seems to be a study that compared the neurologic development of about 100 premature babies who were fed a standard IV solution that contained aluminum, with the development of 100 premature babies who were fed the same solution with almost all aluminum filtered out. The study was prompted by a number of established facts: that injected aluminum can build up to toxic levels in the bloodstream, bones, and brain; that preemies have decreased kidney function and thus a higher risk of toxicity; that an autopsy performed on one preemie whose sudden death was otherwise unexplained revealed high aluminum concentrations in the brain; and that aluminum toxicity can cause progressive dementia. The infants who were given IV solutions containing aluminum showed impaired neurologic and mental development at 18 months, compared to the babies who were fed much lower amounts of aluminum. Those who got aluminum received an average of 500 mcg of the metal over a period of 10 days, or about 50 mcg per day. The other group received only about 10 mcg of aluminum daily—4 to 5 mcg per kilogram of body weight per day.4 This seems to be the source of this safety level.
However, none of these documents or studies mentions vaccines; they look only at IV solutions and injectable medications. Nor does the FDA require labels on vaccines warning about the dangers of aluminum toxicity, although such labels are required for all other injectable medications.
All of these studies and label warnings seem to apply mainly to premature babies and kidney patients. What about larger, full-term babies with healthy kidneys? Using the 5 mcg/kg/day criterion from the first document as a minimum amount we know a healthy baby could handle, a 12-pound, two-month-old baby could safely receive at least 30 mcg of aluminum per day. A 22-pound one-year-old could receive at least 50 mcg safely. Babies with healthy kidneys could probably handle much more than this, but we at least know that they can handle this much. However, these documents don't tell us what the maximum safe dose would be for a healthy baby or child, and I can't find such information anywhere. This is probably why the ASPEN group suggests, and the FDA requires, that all injectable solutions be limited to 25 mcg; we at least know that that level is safe."===http://www.vaccinetruth.org/aluminum_hydroxide1.htm
Note again the dose of aluminum from vaccines can reach or exceed 1000 mcg in one day. Why is the toxicity level of aluminum so pertinent in IV, parentental and nutritional products for babies but totally irrelevant with vaccines? Why say it's toxic from one source but not toxic from another source?
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Magical Realist
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I have two nephews who are autistic. I see what they have to go thru. I think it IS a disability and should be viewed as such. This is not being insensitive towards them so much as acknowledging the reality of what they have to go thru. Other people have disabilities related to depression, ADHD, hyperactivity, etc. We need to recognize these as real disabilities and work towards treating them, not ignore them as if they weren't a problem.
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And yet we have this:
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.328.8093&rep=rep1&type=pdf
"The question of what is leading to the apparent increase in autism is of great importance. Like the link between aspirin and heart attack, even a small effect can have major health implications. If there is any link between autism and mercury, it is absolutely crucial that the first reports of the question are not falsely stating that no link occurs. We have reanalyzed the data set originally reported by Ip et al. in 2004 and have found that the original p value was in error and that a significant relation does exist between the blood levels of mercury and diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder. Moreover, the hair sample analysis results offer some support for the idea that persons with autism may be less efficient and more variable at eliminating mercury from the blood."
The erroneous study they are referring to by Dr. Ip 2004 is here:
http://www.drgreenmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/merc-exposure-in-children.pdf
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"Dr Wakefield was not patenting a single vaccine, but a transfer factor that was specifically for the children who had these adverse reactions. He makes it clear in this video that what he patented was not a vaccine nor was it a replacement for that. <
Beginning at minute 1:40 he explains that this was a only treatment for the children who were unable to clear the measles virus from their system. These are children with pre-existing immune-deficiency who cannot properly respond to a live-virus vaccine. Transfer factor does NOT produce antibodies and therefore cannot function as a vaccine. if Brian Deer is claiming otherwise, ask him when and where he obtained his medical degree that gives him more authority than a professional gastro-enterologist?
This was based on a study reported in NEJM about children with leukemia who were unable to clear chicken-pox, and a specific transfer factor for chicken pox was a treatment for them."===https://www.facebook.com/DrAndrewWakefield/posts/10151460616623165
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Agreed. Now imagine how you would feel if you found out they had been abused by a doctor who was trying to publish a fraudulent paper to enrich himself.
Wakefield was paid by lawyers to reach a pre-determined outcome.
Wakefield (as has been pointed out) patented an alternative vaccination method (I've looked at the patent). Regardless of what you think in this regard, Wakefield stood to gain by discrediting modern vaccination methods.
Wakefield's study was abusive and conducted without ethics committee consent.
Wakefield misinterpreted and misrepresented his PCR results to support his predetermined outcome.
In short, Wakefield conducted unethical fraud, was caught, and was punished for it.
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He's a gastro-enterologist doing research on a digestive disease of autistic children. He took their blood and performed colonoscomies with the parents' permission. If that's abuse then I get abused whenever I get my 5 year physical!
I don't know why the levels allowed in TPN drips are so low, compared with vaccines.
The documents don't say that higher than permitted levels in TPN are unsafe, just that the levels in vaccines are safe.
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"At the heart of the Wakefield controversy has been whether or not the children in the study were, in fact, diagnosed with non-specific colitis, or if that information had been fabricated -- allegations that were largely initiated by investigative journalist Brian Deer.
Writing in the BMJ, research microbiologist David Lewis, of the National Whistleblowers Center, explains that he reviewed histopathological grading sheets by two of Dr. Wakefield's coauthors, pathologists Amar Dhillon and Andrew Anthony, and concluded there was no fraud committed by Dr. Wakefield:
"As a research microbiologist involved with the collection and examination of colonic biopsy samples, I do not believe that Dr. Wakefield intentionally misinterpreted the grading sheets as evidence of "non-specific colitis." Dhillon indicated "non-specific" in a box associated, in some cases, with other forms of colitis. In addition, if Anthony's grading sheets are similar to ones he completed for the Lancet article, they suggest that he diagnosed "colitis" in a number of the children."
In a press release, Lewis continued:
"The grading sheets and other evidence in Wakefield's files clearly show that it is unreasonable to conclude, based on a comparison of the histological records, that Andrew Wakefield 'faked' a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
Now that these records have seen the light of day, it is time for others to stop using them for this purpose as well. False allegations of research misconduct can destroy the careers of even the most accomplished and reputable scientists overnight. It may take years for them to prove their innocence; and even then the damages are often irreparable. In cases where mistakes are made, every effort should be taken to fully restore the reputations and careers of scientists who are falsely accused of research misconduct."
Wakefield is Not the Only Researcher to Look Into the Possible Connection Between MMR Vaccine, Bowel Disease and Autism
Writing in the BMJ, research microbiologist David Lewis, of the National Whistleblowers Center, explains that he reviewed histopathological grading sheets by two of Dr. Wakefield's coauthors, pathologists Amar Dhillon and Andrew Anthony, and concluded there was no fraud committed by Dr. Wakefield:
"As a research microbiologist involved with the collection and examination of colonic biopsy samples, I do not believe that Dr. Wakefield intentionally misinterpreted the grading sheets as evidence of "non-specific colitis." Dhillon indicated "non-specific" in a box associated, in some cases, with other forms of colitis. In addition, if Anthony's grading sheets are similar to ones he completed for the Lancet article, they suggest that he diagnosed "colitis" in a number of the children."
In a press release, Lewis continued:
"The grading sheets and other evidence in Wakefield's files clearly show that it is unreasonable to conclude, based on a comparison of the histological records, that Andrew Wakefield 'faked' a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
Now that these records have seen the light of day, it is time for others to stop using them for this purpose as well. False allegations of research misconduct can destroy the careers of even the most accomplished and reputable scientists overnight. It may take years for them to prove their innocence; and even then the damages are often irreparable. In cases where mistakes are made, every effort should be taken to fully restore the reputations and careers of scientists who are falsely accused of research misconduct."
Wakefield is Not the Only Researcher to Look Into the Possible Connection Between MMR Vaccine, Bowel Disease and Autism
While the press continues to battle over Dr. Wakefield's purported guilt or innocence, the bigger issue -- that there appears to be a connection between inflammation, and particularly gut inflammation, and autism -- is getting lost in the shuffle. Plus, other research has confirmed Wakefield's hotly contested findings, linking the MMR triple vaccine with bowel disease and autism -- contrary to what you might hear in the press.
The Daily Mail reported:
The Daily Mail reported:
" … a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus … the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles.
This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus. What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct.
That study didn't draw any conclusions about specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that's the case, and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it may be related to the MMR."
The lead researcher, Stephen J. Walker, Ph.D., was also quick to state however, that this does not necessarily mean the MMR vaccine causes autism. Still, his research notes the same connection that Wakefield's team did, which is that many autistic children have chronic bowel inflammation, and have the vaccine strain of the measles virus in their intestines.
Says Dr. Wakefield of his original 1998 findings:
This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus. What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is correct.
That study didn't draw any conclusions about specifically what it means to find measles virus in the gut, but the implication is it may be coming from the MMR vaccine. If that's the case, and this live virus is residing in the gastrointestinal tract of some children, and then they have GI inflammation and other problems, it may be related to the MMR."
The lead researcher, Stephen J. Walker, Ph.D., was also quick to state however, that this does not necessarily mean the MMR vaccine causes autism. Still, his research notes the same connection that Wakefield's team did, which is that many autistic children have chronic bowel inflammation, and have the vaccine strain of the measles virus in their intestines.
Says Dr. Wakefield of his original 1998 findings:
"… it's been replicated in Canada, in the U.S., in Venezuela, in Italy… [but] they never get mentioned. All you ever hear is that no one else has ever been able to replicate the findings. I'm afraid that is false."
You can see a list of 28 studies from around the world that support Dr. Wakefield's controversial findings in this past article. In addition to his hotly contested MMR study, Dr. Wakefield has published dozens of peer-reviewed papers looking at the mechanism and cause of inflammatory bowel disease, and has extensively investigated the brain-bowel connection in the context of children with developmental disorders such as autism. As described below, other researchers are also doing the same …"===http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...utes-fraud-findings-in-dr-wakefield-case.aspx
You can see a list of 28 studies from around the world that support Dr. Wakefield's controversial findings in this past article. In addition to his hotly contested MMR study, Dr. Wakefield has published dozens of peer-reviewed papers looking at the mechanism and cause of inflammatory bowel disease, and has extensively investigated the brain-bowel connection in the context of children with developmental disorders such as autism. As described below, other researchers are also doing the same …"===http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...utes-fraud-findings-in-dr-wakefield-case.aspx
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