Proof there is a God
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Shame how delusional some people are.
Um, you didn't post anything "true and factual".
Could you please restate that in English?
Neither you nor Brent has posted anything true in this thread.
Nope, I'm something you don't recognise: rational.
Yazata
Valued Senior Member
I second that.
This thread is just an idiot trying to make all the dogs bark.
It doesn't have any intellectual value.
Except for all the atheists with friends? And people all over the world who believe in other things than you do?
Female participants notwithstanding. But hey, don't give up there. Let me suggest a mathematical proof that just might prove God does not exist. I suggest the following procedure:
(1) generate a complete list of every definition of God which exists in the world.
(2) one by one, go through these and denote which one is a fabrication of human fantasy (superstition, myth, fable and legend).
(3) at the end of this exercise, not a single item will be left unmarked. Therefore, God does not actually exist. (Or, if you prefer: after an exhaustive search, no evidence for God has been found which is more than just a fabrication of human fantasy)
Wrong. Friendships arise from a biological cause seen in other gregarious animals: pair bonding stands out, but also the ways animals associate with each other for the benefit of the community. Again, the countless atheists and people who do not share the belief in your version of God have friends, therefore this fails. Besides, in your own scripture, God spends quite a bit of time alienating people from one another. And you seem to be doing the same, trying to marginalize people who think differently than you (even when they are obviously right). Shame on you.
Actually it boils down to a severe problem that superstitious people have, which involves not being able to separate fact from fantasy.
As a person with a science background who rejects all superstition, I am proud to say that my analysis above proves the inexistence of your God (or any other).
Simpler is better.
No, you have said nothing about what you mean by "an equation" and practically dismissed the idea already. But one that comes to mind is:
God ∉{Reality}
False and incorrect.
First of all they should probably stop calling themselves theists. If they believe in God, they are admitting to a belief in a religion. Therefore they are properly called religious people.
I point this out in response to the many claims in threads like these, that the religious people like to pretend they are something else, either to dissociate themselves from particular churches (almost always these are Protestants, and more often, fundamentalists) and/or to distance themselves from the other meaning of religiosity which entails pretending to be religious (putting on a front) when the person is not really committed to the religion after all.
This reminds me of the Arthur C Clarke story "The Nine Billion Names Of God". When all the nine billion names were listed "overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out".
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Ha! Thanks for that Alex. I don't think I ever saw this.
I am sure I have used the name nine billion times myself, as the given name of one deity belonging to the Dam family. Although I know him as Gawd.
Oh heck this just started getting fun. Maybe a splinter thread which starts listing those names. Fustercluckmeister is in there somewhere... Fustercluckbuster... Fustercluckinzeeduck... Oh how about (in reference to the above story) Hare Fustercluck O'Rama ?? Geez we might even top nine billion if we really put our minds to it (though I would need a very long time to automate the process). Shit. Was Gawd ever even witty? There's something Gawd can't do: He can't say "Wanna Rock n Roll? Ok you MoFo's, here comes your 19th Fustercluckin Nervous Breakdown (and then get out the floor and do windmills on a Les Paul).
I said that. Gawd f'in can't even do that. Shit, the Stones must be greater than Gawd.
Actually I was about to vote for cesspool, but, all things considered, I think maybe this belongs in "Jokes and Funny Stories".
Gawd the Father, Gawd the Son, and Gawd the Holy Ghost walked into a bar...
Hey I mean no disrespect. Long live freedom of religion. But damn, God can't possibly exist so no one should be offended, other than for frivolous reasons (like getting the ice bucket dumped on you or something).
Does Gawd the Father, Gawd the Son, and Gawd the Holy Ghost get into a fight over which one of them invented their favourite cocktail?
I can see Aqueous Idiot throwing babies into a fire and shouting "Hail Satan!"
As for me, I love God.
Hi Sarkus, it is Tnerb or Existabrent. I remember you from a long time ago. Yes, I plan to start a reasonable discussion. I will just first quote your post here, because Aquaus Id the nonsencialist brought up a very important point. What is "God" without definations? Because God is God, I figure we need the obvious questions asked first. So I will get to your post, instead of all the others.I must alert all my closest atheist friends and break this sad news to them, that we have never actually been friends!
And what "severe personality problem" would that be?
I would hazard that only a minority of atheists actually believe there is no God, whether in public or in private. Few of the atheists on this site actually believe that there is no God. The majority of us simply don't believe one way or the other in the existence or non-existence of God, although that might depend to an extent on how you define "God".
Feel free to provide the equations that you would like us to discuss.
You have made no argument yet at all. You have claimed, and you have insulted, but there is no argument at all in what you have so far said.
What equations? Please post them so that we may all be aware of what this thread is about, if you intend it to be more than just trolling against atheists and general flaming.
I await something sensible from you that can actually form the basis of a discussion, if that is your intent.
You know, I actually first thought of you when I typed that in, that's kind of funny isn't it?
A severe personality problem sarkus, that I was referring to in you. It seems there must be one.
Your, only a minority of atheists actually believe there is no god takes care of Auqaeus Id at least, but since you are an atheist maybe you can help us in our progress in this thread, as so many still misunderstand the OP. Nevertheless, we must define "atheist" first because this stance you mention above is rediculious. Shawn and I (Shawn is my friend) have come to the conclusion that "atheists" are aganist theists in a very important way. Because you see although I know that an atheist is just an atheist, atheists show themselves sometimes and talk about nothing but theists. Why is this? When an atheist is a true atheist, he reminds me of something like Aquaeous Id. But let me go on.. Yes, that depends to a great extent on how you define God sarkus. The existence or non existence of God basically clarifies the term as in "you might not make it to heaven" (I quote up on the bibles defination of spiritual progress in life about how one must make belief in Jesus in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven. I'd say terms matter for life. Without life there is death afterall).
So we are progressing in this thread quite well. That is a huge effort well done on my part. So I give myself a pat on the back. I planned to post to this thread, and hell I am trying but I must warn you that entails a lot of things.
About the equations. I was only told that these equations prove God. This is basically my thread to reiterate about atheists. Because I ponder, why do atheists disbelieve in God even with proof entailed? You for example sarkus in the above quoted and written analysis fail to believe in God adequately enough as to at least, not make a huge joke of yourself personality wise. I wonder what equations I am talking about.
About your last sentence sarkus, I believe I will follow up with your smiley face by adding one of my own, as a bit of a finishing move (mortal kombat).:
Cesspool.
"Believing" in "truth" is indeed a bad thing.
If your god told you to throw babies into a fire, would you do it?I can see Aqueous Idiot throwing babies into a fire and shouting "Hail Satan!"
As for me, I love God.
A "true" atheist is merely one who lacks belief in the existence of God.
Are you perhaps referring solely to "strong atheists" - i.e. those who hold the belief that God does not exist? It seems so.
Atheists are not, on the whole "against theists". Those that are would be anti-theists. The rest of us have little, if anything at all, against theists.
As for why we atheists "talk about nothing but theists" - well, probably because this is a religion forum. Some of us are interested in understanding why people believe what they do. Some of us quite like the idea of an afterlife, but can't understand why people believe in one, for example. So we discuss with theists about what makes them tick, what arguments they have for believing what they do. And we put those arguments to the test - we provide counter argument etc.
But don't be surprised if all you see from atheists in a religion forum of a science website is discussion about theism and religion. That's like being surprised that people only seem to play football during a football match.
I don't understand you. Sorry.
We are? I see no progress at all.
Self-congratulating yourself is rather odd given that you don't actually seem to have done what you're congratulating yourself for. :shrug:
So you made a claim based on what you heard, and you are unable to support the claim?
We are not aware of any proof. In this thread you have merely claimed that "these equations prove God" - but you have yet to provide the equations, yet to provide the proof of how those equations prove God.
This actually highlights much of why atheists disbelieve - because claims made of God's existence are unsupported - although rarely are they as unsupported as your claim regarding these equations that you haven't even posted.
I fail to believe in God adequately enough not to make a huge joke of myself??? Really not sure what you mean here either, sorry.
So do we all.
A) You haven't provided any equations.
B) They don't "prove" "god".
Given that there isn't any "proof" presented why do you wonder?
BTW: reported as a sock of a multiply-banned member.
spidergoat
Valued Senior Member
Wow, you said absolutely nothing. You didn't define God, you didn't define atheist, you didn't provide an attempt to prove God exists, and you didn't show these equations. Care to try again?Hi Sarkus, it is Tnerb or Existabrent. I remember you from a long time ago. Yes, I plan to start a reasonable discussion. I will just first quote your post here, because Aquaus Id the nonsencialist brought up a very important point. What is "God" without definations? Because God is God, I figure we need the obvious questions asked first. So I will get to your post, instead of all the others.
You know, I actually first thought of you when I typed that in, that's kind of funny isn't it?
A severe personality problem sarkus, that I was referring to in you. It seems there must be one.
Your, only a minority of atheists actually believe there is no god takes care of Auqaeus Id at least, but since you are an atheist maybe you can help us in our progress in this thread, as so many still misunderstand the OP. Nevertheless, we must define "atheist" first because this stance you mention above is rediculious. Shawn and I (Shawn is my friend) have come to the conclusion that "atheists" are aganist theists in a very important way. Because you see although I know that an atheist is just an atheist, atheists show themselves sometimes and talk about nothing but theists. Why is this? When an atheist is a true atheist, he reminds me of something like Aquaeous Id. But let me go on.. Yes, that depends to a great extent on how you define God sarkus. The existence or non existence of God basically clarifies the term as in "you might not make it to heaven" (I quote up on the bibles defination of spiritual progress in life about how one must make belief in Jesus in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven. I'd say terms matter for life. Without life there is death afterall).
So we are progressing in this thread quite well. That is a huge effort well done on my part. So I give myself a pat on the back. I planned to post to this thread, and hell I am trying but I must warn you that entails a lot of things.
About the equations. I was only told that these equations prove God. This is basically my thread to reiterate about atheists. Because I ponder, why do atheists disbelieve in God even with proof entailed? You for example sarkus in the above quoted and written analysis fail to believe in God adequately enough as to at least, not make a huge joke of yourself personality wise. I wonder what equations I am talking about.
About your last sentence sarkus, I believe I will follow up with your smiley face by adding one of my own, as a bit of a finishing move (mortal kombat).:
You actually have the guts to post Sarkus, I am a bit suprised, considering this is a thread about equations that have proven Gods existence. Proof of God btw is very simple, backing up my friend who was told that x=y x+y=y x does not = God... For example you see male spiders being killed by female spiders. Let me explain this process. The male is helpless. He's related to the male human, who was created by God not to have any other proof about his existence other than a Godly relation to God. But the spider is taken in, is killed, and done away with. He is "sexually unfit." He is a male. It's sad really but I've thought about it a lot recently. This whole "without any proof of bigfoot, without any proof of evolution, without any proof of the skeleton that defines the missing link"-- the missing link that will never be found.
Can you please clarify sarkus, what do you mean "lacks belief in the existence of God". Don't say "well he lacks the belief in the existence of God" because this is rhetorical. You can lack belief in the existence of God just like you can lack belief in the existence in the helpless male spider. Scientifically me and my friend are right about you atheists, you have no proof for your claims. And don't forget this is a science site.
I am not referring to them. Every claim they make, all claims they make, are completely redundant, just like spidergoat. And this is a science site and we are refering to the equations which prove supposively Gods existence. If you cannot take something as primarily on supposition I would rather haphazard a guess that you cannot be a scientist.
The band of you atheists are definately, primordially, aganist us theists, and the applause I hear in the background due to me making this quote is studpendous. What a wonderful thread sarkus, you have marvelously helped me to further its progress. Not you spidergoat.
This is histerical.
This is unacceptable. It must therefore be a personality problem. You must accept it Sarkus. You are a primordially deep atheist. You should talk to a theist, not spout anger or absurdity (commonly confused for stupidity) at them. If you believe in an afterlife, and you either do or don't, you know you can still go to heaven. But not believing in an afterlife is rather like not believing in football, now ain't it, Sarkus.
Ok.
You might make it to heaven one day Sarkus!
If your response to this post clarifies the progress, I give a huge hand of applause to the audience. Because in reality, progressing from a helpless male spider to a female spider would be far superior, considering her strength and abundant fluid like movement.
Asking what an atheist is and making sure I know the proper defination is all the progress I had planned to make for a while, until we got to this point.
The point where atheists admit how abundantly lop sidded their position is. If you are a male and still complain about not having proof for God, I would ask you to speak to a female instead of other males. Because they're just going to tell you that you are butt stupid. This applies to you Sarkus I think.
I am able to abundantly support the claim of what I heard. It's because I know what he said still that keeps making me angry at the posts and comments made by people like you.
This is a science forum Sarkus. My friend knows that on the T.V. a claim was made that equations prove Gods existence for the first time or something. Provided by a very well standing mathematician. Proof of God is proof of God sarkus. And even if you don't accept it. You accept that there is no proof of evolution if there is a proof of anything relating to a primordial like adam and eve structure. Which is what my friend was getting to. You accept that there is a God or you don't. We are not animals Sarkus. We do not provide no proof for our existence and live that way for no reason never recieving a beating. A theist "knows" God exists. This is the defination of a theist. I still don't know the defination of an atheist.
Please see the quote in sarkus' post above, I have accidntally deleted a huge bar of text.
Correct sarkus, now you can see as I have claimed that the thread is moving forward. But you are still spouting "there is no proof" and you can therefore not be helped.
the rest of the text deleted is pure stupidity, more personality attacks, etc. Feel free to check that out for yourselves.
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