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I was not trying to make a point regarding the so-called "scientific method", nor was I suggesting any particular theory is or is not better than another - though of course that is the case.

My point was to emphasize that "common sense" is not some particular theory which is, or was, popular among the people. Like in "common sense to people at one time was that things need to be pushed or they stop moving. Newton's first law changed that - at least for anyone with basic education". This is not what I would name common sense. Already for the simple reason that it is not common at all, but a particular theory. As the old one, as the new one.

But this identification of "common sense" with particular theories which have been popular is quite common, and used to discredit common sense, using examples of some quite stupid theories which have been popular some time as evidence against common sense.

I have seen in your post an example of this, that's why I have answered.
 
Not really. All I was trying to do was to clear the charge, made by Bells, that PB was saying science seeks to "manipulate" what other people think.

I was not trying to make a point regarding the so-called "scientific method", nor was I suggesting any particular theory is or is not better than another - though of course that is the case.
Remember, you are responding to someone who denies that the Holocaust happened. This might be relevant to understanding their views on what counts as good evidence and good reasoning.
 
Remember, you are responding to someone who denies that the Holocaust happened. This might be relevant to understanding their views on what counts as good evidence and good reasoning.
And this is a post of a liar distributing defamations. I have never denied that the Holocaust happened.
 
Remember, you are responding to someone who denies that the Holocaust happened. This might be relevant to understanding their views on what counts as good evidence and good reasoning.

I'll stay well out of that if you don't mind.
 
I remember that part of junior high reasonably well; we learned the scientific method, precision vs accuracy, significant figures, etc. We had science fairs where we organized projects/presentations into the four basic steps....though it apparently gets introduced as such even earlier (don't remember that at all):
https://sites.google.com/a/winona.k12.mn.us/value-added-units/second-grade/scientific-method

For college, My experience is not exactly typical because I started school at the Naval Academy, where morality, ethics and leadership training are mandatory for everyone and I'm sure are more extensive than in civilian schools. Everyone takes a certain amount of humanities (history, philosophy, writing/literature, psychology), but I'm not sure how that compares and can't recall what level of choice I had in that. But I finished college at a civilian school where we did also learn ethics and management as pertains specifically to engineering and I also took a course on the history of science. And one called "Public Opinion and Propaganda" which was pretty useful for critical thinking skills.

Quips like Rutherford's are intended to be insulting, but it isn't clear to me how serious they are intended to be. That said, there really is very little place for philosophy in science or even of science except as a history lesson. Threads like this are almost certainly started to try to close an inferiority complex gap. I'd be surprised if MR had any philosophy training either, but it is generally claimed if not accepted that unlike science there is no barrier to entry for philosophy: anyone can call themself a philosopher. It may not really be true, but at least they can usually get away with it, whereas armchair scientists can't.

So, yes, it would be good if all scientists took a philosophy course or two in the beginning of their 10 years of schooling. There are parts of it that are important to a scientist's skillset. But when it comes to advancing knowledge, philosophy plays no direct role. Thoughts on the nature of reality and consciousness are really just placeholders that fill gaps until science fills them in and pushes the philosophy out.

Russ, I was sufficiently intrigued by the apparent difference in approach between the UK and the US that I had a quick look on the internet, where I found the attached rather interesting paper. Yazata might also be interested: just how does science work? the scientific method and ks4 ...

It's a pdf that downloads, but it's from the University of Sussex, so a very respectable source and unlikely I hope to contain viruses. It seems from this that the UK government fairly recently (2006) changed the science syllabus, to introduce mandatory teaching of the scientific method, and that this has raised quite a few questions in the minds of these researchers.

You will see from the paper, reading between the lines, that the writers are a bit sceptical that there is really anything to teach that can be agreed upon!
 
A rant typical for those who do not understand that the scientific method is based on common sense and nothing else.

The view given by science is also filtered - by the theories we use to interpret our observations. Then, science can correct - but can, as well, make things worse if the actually favored theories are wrong.

One famous example of science making things worse was the hysteria about the harm caused by masturbation. The base was a quite normal scientific observation, namely that the idiots in the asylums masturbate a lot, which was easily visible to the doctors. Today it is clearified that the explanation is simply that these idiots have been too stupid to hide their masturbation, or even so stupid that they were unable to understand that honorable people have to hide such things from others, and, last but not least, had less privacy to be able to hide this even if they wanted. And the doctors were too stupid to understand that other people masturbate as often as these asylum inmates, but hide this. The result was a scientific theory about a lot of horrible harm caused by masturbation. Which has heavily influenced child education during a quite long period of time. Even funnier the the story about spinach, which was claimed to be healthy because of a large iron content. But this high iron content originated in a measurement error or so, it was simply false. But millions of children were forced to eat the healthy iron-containing spinach even if they hated it.



Nonsense. All what the scientific thinking is using is also used by common sense. Inventing theories to explain observations is the everyday job of each child. Rejecting them once they do not agree with their observation too. (That's why adults can laugh about their own childish theories, as far as they remember them - because they have rejected them during their childhood, once they have seen that they are in conflict with reality.) Testing them even more. A lot of parents would be happy if they could prevent their children from a lot of these tests.
And this psychologist seems to think that to name some elementary reasoning "analytical method" makes it non-elementary.



No. It is simply a very old, and long rejected theory. Science also allows us to believe that the world is full of strings, or phlogiston, or harm caused by masturbation.



Common sense uses such things too. And also recognizes that if one invents a theory, it remains the own invention, which may be wrong. If this psychologist does not want to see the structure of common sense, this is his personal problem. Cognitive biases are part of science as well. No need for testing? Nonsense. To test the own theories is natural part of common sense too.

Common sense prefers to err in the direction of confirmation of some correlations. This is useful - because the error of believing into a wrong correlation is small, in comparison to not believing into an existing correlation. Why? Most of the interesting correlations are about dangerous things. If you do not recognize a really existing danger, you may be dead. If you believe, instead, into sixty additional non-dangerous "dangers", you will not use some sixty nice possibilities. A harm, of course, but not a deadly one.

LOL.

What is mingled here is what is done in some costly experiments in modern science and, in comparison, what the lay public is doing in everyday life, without any grants. This difference has nothing to do with the method itself. Which is in full agreement with common sense, who would also prefer to control for extraneous sources of influence.

Sometimes he does. Sometimes he accepts the authority of the people who say that there is such an influence. I believe into the standard model of particle physics, but have never tested it at home. Have you?

The scientific method also looks for correlations everywhere. And, once it has found them, tries to find causal explanations. As prescribed by common sense too.

By common sense, of course. "My grandfather smokes but is now 90, and healthy" is, on a small scale the same method, statistics. No doubt that you can reach better, more accurate results, if you study tens of thousands of cases instead of only the guys living around you.

Nonsense. The German word "Raucherhusten" (smoker's cough) I know from my childhood, and it describes such a negative influence on the lungs in common sense. Ok, my childhood was not 60 years ago, but the difference is not that large, so 45 years ago they have certainly known it. And there was nothing new about this, at least I do not remember anybody presenting the "Raucherhusten" as a new insight of science.

Yes. And even children have known then that it is harmful, according to common sense.

As if there have not been many religious testable predictions. "If you do X, God will punish you" is common in religions. And proponents of other religions have often tried out such things, destroying Holy Places of the other religions. And if no evil consequences followed, this was always considered to be strong evidence against the Gods which have allowed to destroy their Holy Places without hitting back.

The problem is that at the time they have been invented this was not known. The anecdotes reveal the empirical evidence. Don't forget that with much more resources you can achieve much better results, even if you use the same method.

Wrong. Metaphysical explanations offer a lot, and are, of course, also part of modern physical theories. Remember how paddoboy heavily defended the metaphysical belief into a four-dimensional curved spacetime, which seems to give him a lot. It is only metaphysical, as I have shown, by presenting another metaphysical model for the same equations of General Relativity. Nonetheless, this particular variant of metaphysics is heavily defended, by scientists.

I see no problem here. The rational way to handle metaphysics would be to evaluate and accept as equally justified different metaphysical interpretations. Their differences would allow to understand in a better way what is really supported by observation (which is what all interpretations have to share) and what is not (which is what is different in different interpretations).

To summarize: Science is a very good thing, and it is safely based on common sense. Science is, roughly, the cooperation of a large group of people, all of them accepting common sense, who apply common sense on a large scale, share their results not only with all other scientists, but with everybody. With such cooperation, they can reach much better results than a single guy, or, say, a family. But this does not mean that they have some inherently better method. No. They use the same common sense. In an educated form - because some of the scientists, as part of this large scale cooperation, care about all the minor flaws which a small group will, with a sufficiently large probability, ignore, simply because one has to ignore them if there is only a small group. But ignorance of some errors, out of insufficient resources to care about everything, does not mean that, if pointed to this particular source of error, one would not be able to understand that, yes, this is an error, based on common sense. Science is simply educated common sense.


As usual from our chief Maverick scientist and political naivist hindered by his agenda, much ado about nothing.
ps: Obviously also you need rethink what you contribute to me as saying.
What I link to and what I say personally are two different things: While I may agree with what I link to, It's rather irrational to contribute that to me personally.
You will obviously attempt to fix that up won't you?
[Or do your usual, of side stepping, making excuses, and disguising with lengthy rants :rolleyes:]
 
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Among the differences between science and common sense:

Most children often do elementary science (they try stuff out, to see what will happen, and formulate explanations) , but most adults do not. The reverse is true of common sense, which acts as a stabilizer to prevent one from being altered in one's worldview by happenstance - this is valuable to adults, a handicap to children (and scientists). It takes the place of the authoritative and protective adult.

Common sense does not acquire meaning from philosophy. Science is meaningless without a metaphysical context - stamp collecting, as the guy put it. Common sense is situational, and slots unaltered into any coherent metaphysics or none. The context providing the meaning for common sense is political ideology.
 
Apparently the phrase 'common sense' is being used in different ways by different people. (Clarifying those different uses is an example of one of the things that philosophers do.)

When I use the phrase 'common sense', I'm typically referring to the evidence of our lives, to the kind of things that human beings all sense in common so to speak and that we all agree on. We walk through doors, not through walls. When we are hungry we eat food. We don't jump off cliffs. We know that we can't leap over the moon. Fire is hot. We don't stab ourselves or our friends with sharp sticks. I expect that paleolithic 'cave men' would agree with me on those. Scientists typically agree on these kind of things too, especially when they are in their laboratories, where their experimental procedures presuppose a great deal of it.

There's another more technical philosophical usage of 'common sense' attributable to Aristotle as well, though this one seems to be largely obsolete. (It generated lots of discussion among the medieval philosophers.) Aristotle noted how we use several senses in concert. We learn something's size both visually and by touch. Aristotle argued that there must be some psychological process that integrates the senses, such that eye-information and hand-information are experienced as providing us with the same information about the same object. He didn't think that it was reason doing it (he identified reason with use of his logic) and thought that it was a perceptual process prior to reason. Aristotle noted that even relatively primitive animals appear able to integrate their senses in this way.
 
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[...] just how does science work? the scientific method and ks4 ...

[...] You will see from the paper, reading between the lines, that the writers are a bit sceptical that there is really anything to teach that can be agreed upon!

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[...] Science, for Feyerabend, is an anarchistic enterprise, his idea being that theoretical anarchism is more humanitarian and more likely to encourage progress than any ‘law-and- order’ alternative. This, he believed, was shown both by an examination of historical episodes and by an abstract analysis of the relation between ideas and actions. The only principle that did not inhibit progress for Feyerabend was ‘anything goes’. [...] “One of my motives for writing Against Method was to free people from the tyranny of philosophical obfuscators and abstract concepts such as “truth”, “reality”, or “objectivity”, which narrow people's vision and ways of being in the world. Formulating what I thought were my own attitude and convictions, I unfortunately ended up by introducing concepts of similar rigidity, such as “democracy”, “tradition”, or “relative truth”. Now that I am aware of it, I wonder how it happened. The urge to explain one's own ideas, not simply, not in a story, but by means of a “systematic account”, is powerful indeed.” (Feyerabend 1995 p.179-80).

In those comments Feyerabend does demonstrate the pickle of declaring an enterprise to be anachronistic while avoiding the "And this too shall become a formal construct / prescriptive philosophy" snaking around and biting that perspective in the buttocks.

There's other quiet, in the background amusements to be derived from the ongoing situation. When an opposing faction which contends that science practices are methodological in a consensus and non-ambiguous way also ironically doubles as a faction disparaging the value of a stratum of thought which deals in system formulation, investigation, refinement / clarification, critique and argument production. While accomplishing the remarkable feat of avoidance of such thought processes themselves in the course of justifying a stance.

An arena of intellectual activity both historically antecedent to and prior in rank to the science system -- or not the science system. Latter again depending upon whether the science community -- bestowed by the outer public with a fable of being globally and super-humanly consistent in its internal views about itself -- deems itself to either be adhering to settled fixed guidance and template(s) of operation or that its workers are at least partially free-wheeling things. [Since the questionnaire respondents rejected Feyerabend's examination and his "ought" that science (especially theoretical physics) is / should be completely anachronistic.] I'd hazard it's a combo of both flavors, and thus the disagreements among its members / groupies in that particular subject area of its "identity".
 
In those comments Feyerabend does demonstrate the pickle of declaring an enterprise to be anachronistic while avoiding the "And this too shall become a formal construct / prescriptive philosophy" snaking around and biting that perspective in the buttocks.

There's other quiet, in the background amusements to be derived from the ongoing situation. When an opposing faction which contends that science practices are methodological in a consensus and non-ambiguous way also ironically doubles as a faction disparaging the value of a stratum of thought which deals in system formulation, investigation, refinement / clarification, critique and argument production. While accomplishing the remarkable feat of avoidance of such thought processes themselves in the course of justifying a stance.

An arena of intellectual activity both historically antecedent to and prior in rank to the science system -- or not the science system. Latter again depending upon whether the science community -- bestowed by the outer public with a fable of being globally and super-humanly consistent in its internal views about itself -- deems itself to either be adhering to settled fixed guidance and template(s) of operation or that its workers are at least partially free-wheeling things. [Since the questionnaire respondents rejected Feyerabend's examination and his "ought" that science (especially theoretical physics) is / should be completely anachronistic.] I'd hazard it's a combo of both, and thus the disagreements among its members / groupies in that particular subject area of its "identity".

Yes I saw that too and found it funny. Whenever I've come across Feyerabend (which is not that often but from time to time), I have to say he has struck me as a bit of a poseur. Post structuralists have rather the same problem: they assert that the author is not the prime source of meaning in the text, but they can only make this assertion by authoring texts!
 
ps: Obviously also you need rethink what you contribute to me as saying.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about what you have said.

It was my impression that you have heavily defended GR spacetime interpretation against my ether interpretation of the GR equations. And not with quoting some papers you have not understood anyway, but with quite aggressive personal attacks against me. If you take all these attacks back, and accept that one cannot tell, by observation, the difference between the spacetime interpretation and my ether interpretation, fine. If you don't, then this defense of GR metaphysics was correctly attributed to you. (Given that my ether interpretation is not discussed, but ignored by mainstream science, such a rejection of my ether interpretation is your personally, and you cannot rely on mainstream papers here.)

Except when I straight-up asked you. Back on ignore.
No, never. I have not studied sufficient reliable sources to make any definite statements about this. Nor that it has happened, nor that it has not happened. Feel free to ignore me, but don't distribute defamations.
 
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about what you have said.
You are corrected on what you attributed to me with regards to the article I linked.....I understand your confusion though...par for the course. :rolleyes:
No, never. I have not studied sufficient reliable sources to make any definite statements about this. Nor that it has happened, nor that it has not happened. Feel free to ignore me, but don't distribute defamations.
Another cop out!
Yes it happened, 100% certainty! And no libertarian and associated naive views will ever change that.
 
Bells I think it is clear enough from the context that what was meant was modification of what we regard as common sense, rather than anything sinister.

And actually I think that is an interesting point. It came up before tangentially in another thread in which I was involved, some time ago. For example, common sense to people at one time was that things need to be pushed or they stop moving. Newton's first law changed that - at least for anyone with basic education. More radically, Einstein changed our ideas about space and time, in ways that, while not thoroughly understood in the population, nevertheless have superseded the previous common sense that space was just an empty nothing with no properties. Now, people dimly grasp the idea of spacetime curvature, black holes as wells into which things can fall, and so on.

So what feels like"common sense" has changed, in the course of history - due to it being modified by the insights of science diffusing into popular consciousness.

Common sense is of course also subject to being modified by the changing course of ideas in other fields as well, so there is nothing unique about science in this respect. Once it was common sense that women should be the ones to look after the kids..............
Common sense changed through education. And continues to change through education. It should not be through manipulation.

But common sense itself is a vague term. It cannot be defined because we are all distinct and different individuals with different sets of beliefs and different levels of intelligence and education and interpretation of the data placed before us. What one might consider common sense, another might consider absolute rubbish. And that is all based on one's education and beliefs. For example, the US had a brain surgeon, a leading brain surgeon and scientist run for the GOP nomination, who believes the pyramids were grain silos. Now, common sense dictates that the pyramids were tombs. Because that is what we were taught based on the evidence. But he was taught and believes that they were grain silos. That is his common sense. And this is an educated fellow, a man who achieved amazing things after studying "science". This is why arguments about "common sense" and trying to align it with science becomes a very vague term.

Certainly, Einstein changed our ideas about space, but Einstein himself rejected his most famous theory, because he did not believe it was possible. It was scientists who came after him who worked for decades to prove him right.

My concern is the belief that some hold that scientists are always right, that they should always be believed because they are using the scientific method. That to question the science itself becomes an affront to scientists. In short, they react the same way as the most devoutly religious when the existence of their God is questioned. Like they did with Einstein when he rejected quantum field theory. They treated him like he was a hack and a has-been. In that sense, scientists can and do manipulate others in the scientific field in various ways, from fear of speaking out to being ridiculed and ostracised by the scientific community.

So is it possible to follow the path of Einstein? To do so, you cannot be a crank; you must be a well-trained physicist, literate in current theories and aware of their limitations. And you must insist on absolute clarity in your own work, rather than follow any fad or popular direction. Given the pressures of competition for academic positions, to follow Einstein’s path is to risk the price that he paid: unemployment in spite of abundant talent and skill at the craft of theoretical physics.

In my whole career as a theoretical physicist, I have known only a handful of colleagues who truly can be said to follow Einstein’s path. They are driven, as Einstein was, by a moral need for clear understanding. In everything they do, these few strive continually to invent a new theory of principle that could satisfy the strictest demands of coherence and consistency, without regard to fashion or the professional consequences. Most have paid for their independence, in a harder career path than equally talented scientists who follow the research agendas of the big professors.

Let us be frank and admit that most of us have neither the courage nor the patience to emulate Einstein. We should instead honor Einstein by asking whether we can do anything to ensure that in the future those few who do follow Einstein’s path, who approach science as uncompromisingly as he did, have less risk of unemployment, the sort he suffered at the beginning of his career, and less risk of the marginalization he endured at the end. If we can do this, if we can make the path easier for those few who do follow him, we may make possible a revolution in science that even Einstein failed to achieve.

Einstein may have changed our perception of space and time. But he paid the price for it in the end. And it was the physics community that made him pay it because he would not adhere to their thinking and he questioned them for the flaws he found in their work and theories.
 
Seriously? You're saying that you don't know if the holocaust did or didn't happen?
It is quite plausible that it happened, but I'm not completely sure, because the problematic behavior of the German state - imprisonment for Holocaust denial - makes the whole official German history about this period questionable. German history about this time is no longer science, given that some theories, however dubious they seem to be, cannot be openly discussed.
Another cop out!
Yes it happened, 100% certainty! And no libertarian and associated naive views will ever change that.
Fine, I have no problem with your belief. And I have no plans to change this. The question is not interesting enough for me to study it, and the mainstream theory, which I would usually, in such cases, accept, is in this particular case discredited by the decision of the German state to imprison deniers. So I have no simple way to find a reliable source.
Why you name this a "cop out" is beyond me. I have never made a definitive statement about what happened. My point was, all the time, that the imprisonment of Holocaust deniers makes all the historical research about this time questionable. Freedom of science means any theory, however dubious, can be proposed and discussed. With the law, there is no freedom of science in the history of this particular period. I have always criticized this law as counterproductive, because it discredits not the Holocaust deniers, but the mainstream scientists.
You are corrected on what you attributed to me with regards to the article I linked.
A, you are simply talking about my arguments against the article I have given in #96 and #97? But in #96 I have started with quoting your link. Ok, I was too lazy to replace manually all the automatical "paddoboy" by something else, sorry.
 
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It is quite plausible that it happened, but I'm not completely sure, because the problematic behavior of the German state - imprisonment for Holocaust denial - makes the whole official German history about this period questionable
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The question is not interesting enough for me to study it, and the mainstream theory, which I would usually, in such cases, accept, is in this particular case discredited by the decision of the German state to imprison deniers. So I have no simple way to find a reliable source.
So you have come here, to a site full of Americans with no such limitations on the damaging nonsense they can spout, and direct information on the topic (ancestors who liberated the camps, eyewitness accounts, childhood neighbors who had survived Dachau, etc), and lives far from the German government, to become better informed? Why no.

Instead, you make assessments of reality based on your presumptions in dealing with what you take for propaganda based on a single characteristic - one error leading to another, the entire lineage taking you into delusion. You leave physical reality behind, and spin little fantasies of what could be in front of dozens of people who know better.

You have been directed to this exact source of gross error and foolishness on your part several times now. Mistaking information for propaganda and handling it as you do leads to delusion.
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German history about this time is no longer science, - - - -
But everybody else's is. So if you don't trust the German ones, why pay any attention to them - when you have so many others not afflicted with State cooties?

Meanwhile, there is a thread of Zen teaching that values careful and rigorous study of philosophy, not because it is necessarily valuable but because it is inevitable - if you don't acquire competence in it, you will be victimized by your incompetence in it.

This has also been said of economics, and as alertly: officials and political powers who do not study economics will be victimized by their incompetent economic presumptions.
 
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Common sense changed through education. And continues to change through education. It should not be through manipulation.

But common sense itself is a vague term. It cannot be defined because we are all distinct and different individuals with different sets of beliefs and different levels of intelligence and education and interpretation of the data placed before us. What one might consider common sense, another might consider absolute rubbish. And that is all based on one's education and beliefs. For example, the US had a brain surgeon, a leading brain surgeon and scientist run for the GOP nomination, who believes the pyramids were grain silos. Now, common sense dictates that the pyramids were tombs. Because that is what we were taught based on the evidence. But he was taught and believes that they were grain silos. That is his common sense. And this is an educated fellow, a man who achieved amazing things after studying "science". This is why arguments about "common sense" and trying to align it with science becomes a very vague term.

Certainly, Einstein changed our ideas about space, but Einstein himself rejected his most famous theory, because he did not believe it was possible. It was scientists who came after him who worked for decades to prove him right.

My concern is the belief that some hold that scientists are always right, that they should always be believed because they are using the scientific method. That to question the science itself becomes an affront to scientists. In short, they react the same way as the most devoutly religious when the existence of their God is questioned. Like they did with Einstein when he rejected quantum field theory. They treated him like he was a hack and a has-been. In that sense, scientists can and do manipulate others in the scientific field in various ways, from fear of speaking out to being ridiculed and ostracised by the scientific community.

So is it possible to follow the path of Einstein? To do so, you cannot be a crank; you must be a well-trained physicist, literate in current theories and aware of their limitations. And you must insist on absolute clarity in your own work, rather than follow any fad or popular direction. Given the pressures of competition for academic positions, to follow Einstein’s path is to risk the price that he paid: unemployment in spite of abundant talent and skill at the craft of theoretical physics.

In my whole career as a theoretical physicist, I have known only a handful of colleagues who truly can be said to follow Einstein’s path. They are driven, as Einstein was, by a moral need for clear understanding. In everything they do, these few strive continually to invent a new theory of principle that could satisfy the strictest demands of coherence and consistency, without regard to fashion or the professional consequences. Most have paid for their independence, in a harder career path than equally talented scientists who follow the research agendas of the big professors.

Let us be frank and admit that most of us have neither the courage nor the patience to emulate Einstein. We should instead honor Einstein by asking whether we can do anything to ensure that in the future those few who do follow Einstein’s path, who approach science as uncompromisingly as he did, have less risk of unemployment, the sort he suffered at the beginning of his career, and less risk of the marginalization he endured at the end. If we can do this, if we can make the path easier for those few who do follow him, we may make possible a revolution in science that even Einstein failed to achieve.

Einstein may have changed our perception of space and time. But he paid the price for it in the end. And it was the physics community that made him pay it because he would not adhere to their thinking and he questioned them for the flaws he found in their work and theories.

I would share your concern if I thought this was a widely held view. There are people (Dawkins is one of my bete noires in this regard) who try to elevate science to the status of a religion. That I would agree is very silly and inappropriate. But I think in modern society there is plenty of questioning of science - certainly far more than in the heady days of the 1960s when atomic power was the future and science seems to have all the answers.

However there is a difference between questioning science intelligently and doing so stupidly, based on a prejudice against it, or a wish to annoy people who take the trouble to try to explain things. We see plenty of that on this forum too.
 
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