Inherent Meaning

So, not "natural" at all.an-made.

So, man made. Indeed individually culture-made.

yes of course

that is what I mean't all along , you just misunderstood what I was getting at .

every word in any language has an inherent meaning . The origin of any word has a basis to it . based on the language its self and what it is describing .
 
which means ?
And that's where you miss the point, river.
Tell me what is the difference between a hill and a mountain and would a Zwahili tribesman have a word for mountain in the first place. Would the word "mountain" resonate in the tribesman's brain and he would see the full scope of the difference between a mountain and a hill.
It's mathematics. Knowing the difference between the meaning of "more and less".
That's counting.
 
And that's where you miss the point, river.
Tell me what is the difference between a hill and a mountain and would a Zwahili tribesman have a word for mountain in the first place. Would the word "mountain" resonate in the tribesman's brain and he would see the full scope of the difference between a mountain and a hill.
It's mathematics. Knowing the difference between the meaning of "more and less".
That's counting.

Zwahili tribesman uses the a word to describe what he sees , that's all .

mathematics is irrelevant
 
Zwahili tribesman uses the a word to describe what he sees , that's all .

mathematics is irrelevant
There you go, each discoverer makes up his own words (language) to identify what he has discovered.
Language is a mathematical construct.
 
Because it is a rational concept of the nature of spacetime and how reality becomes explicated.
An implacable collection of dynamical mathematical values and function, a deterministic matrix.

Think of a fractal zoom and the incredible and fantastical journey it takes you on. An infinite number of abstract shapes can emerge from a simple fractal function alone.

And fractals are expressed in nature everywhere. As is the Fibonacci Sequence.
No one invented those functions, they are inherent potentials of the spacetime fabric.
 
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Because it is a rational concept of the nature of spacetime and how reality becomes explicated.
An implacable collection of dynamical mathematical values and function, a deterministic matrix.

Think of a fractal zoom and the incredible and fantastical journey it takes you on. An infinite number of abstract shapes can emerge from a simple fractal function alone.

of which all the values have decimal places . gravity , planck constant , pie , elementry charge , gas constant etc .

inotherwords the mathematics of these values is based on the objects and/or their behavior . not from space

the abstract fractal shapes never change . they are based on the shape that was before .
 
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that is what I mean't all along , you just misunderstood what I was getting at
Bollocks - you just state your case very badly (or change your mind about what you do mean).

every word in any language has an inherent meaning .
No.
The origin of any word has a basis to it . based on the language its self and what it is describing .
And no.

Likewise:
inotherwords the mathematics of these values is based on the objects and/or their behavior .
No.
And
the abstract fractal shapes never change . they are based on the shape that was before .
Meaningless.
 
of which all the values have decimal places . gravity , planck constant , pie , elementry charge , gas constant etc .
Yes, and variable values to boot.
inotherwords the mathematics of these values is based on the objects and/or their behavior . not from space
The values and their mutual interactions are mathematically determined by both the interactive values of the objects and the values of the medium, i.e. external environment.
the abstract fractal shapes never change . they are based on the shape that was before .
Oh again, I really disagree We can start with a simple triangle based fractal and make the most beautiful curved patterns, flowers, galaxies, cosmic clouds.
250px-Eagle_nebula_pillars.jpg


The "Pillars of Creation" from the Eagle Nebula. Evidence from the Spitzer Telescope suggests that the pillars may already have been destroyed by a supernova explosion, but the light showing us the destruction will not reach the Earth for another millennium.[1]

Or we can start with a mandelbrot fractal and slightly alter the mathematics.

In fact we can make a curve from simple straight lines of the same size. It's really neat....:rolleyes:

And if you want to see an expressed pattern shape of the number value "4/3", watch this:
https://www.ted.com/talks/roger_antonsen_math_is_the_hidden_secret_to_understanding_the_world

And "The Life of a Circle",
 
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Yes, and variable values to boot.
The values and their mutual interactions are mathematically determined by both the value of the object and the value of the medium, i.e. external environment.
Oh again, I really disagree We can start with a simple triangle based fractal and make the most beautiful curved patterns, flowers, galaxies, cosmic clouds.
250px-Eagle_nebula_pillars.jpg


The "Pillars of Creation" from the Eagle Nebula. Evidence from the Spitzer Telescope suggests that the pillars may already have been destroyed by a supernova explosion, but the light showing us the destruction will not reach the Earth for another millennium.[1]

Or we can start with a mandelbrot fractal and slightly alter the mathematics.

In fact we can make a curve from simple straight lines of the same size. It's really neat....:rolleyes:
https://www.ted.com/talks/roger_antonsen_math_is_the_hidden_secret_to_understanding_the_world

And The Life of a Circle,

yes , but the values are determined by the objects themselves . their interactions within themselves and with other objects . movement.
 
yes , but the values are determined by the objects themselves . their interactions within themselves and with other objects . movement.
Right, and that process is strictly regulated by mathematical permissions and restrictions. It is not God who says YES or NO to an event which follows mathematical imperatives. It is spacetime itself which allows or restricts the processes in accordance to all the extant mathematically related potentials. If not mathematically allowed, the functional event does not happen.
 
Right, and that process is strictly regulated by mathematical permissions and restrictions. It is not God who says YES or NO to an event which follows mathematical imperatives. It is spacetime itself which allows or restricts the processes in accordance to all the extant mathematically related potentials. If not mathematically allowed, the functional event does not happen.

mathematics is irrelevant

it is the objects that rule mathematics .

take away objects , on what does mathematics fundamentally ground it self on ?
 
mathematics is irrelevant

it is the objects that rule mathematics .

take away objects , on what does mathematics fundamentally ground it self on ?
That's the wrong question. Take away the mathematical function and objects would not be able to form, there would be total chaos. The mathematics bring order (patterns) to chaos, as well as to objects which must follow the mathematical patterns.

Chaos Theory is a mathematical discipline
Chaos theory is a branch of mathematics focusing on the behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions.
'Chaos' is an interdisciplinary theory stating that within the apparent randomness of chaotic complex systems, there are underlying patterns, constant feedback loops, repetition, self-similarity, fractals, self-organization, and reliance on programming at the initial point known as sensitive dependence on initial conditions.
The butterfly effect describes how a small change in one state of a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state, e.g. a butterfly flapping its wings in China can cause a hurricane in Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
 
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