Young Earther vs an Atheist...

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If there was a great flood and extinction event, the likely culprit is Theia.
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(/ˈθiːə/) is a hypothesized ancient planet in the early Solar System that, according to the 'giant impact hypothesis', collided with Gaia (the early Earth) around 4.5 billion years ago.[1][2] According to the hypothesis, Theia was an Earth trojan about the size of Mars, with a diameter of about 6,102 km (3,792 miles). Geologist Edward Young of the University of California, Los Angeles, drawing on an analysis of rocks collected by Apollo missions 12, 15, and 17, proposes that Theia collided head-on with Earth,[3] in contrast to the previous theory that suggested a glancing impact. Models of the impact indicate that Theia's debris gathered around Earth to form the early Moon.
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Some scientists think the material thrown into orbit originally formed two moons[4][5] that later merged to form the single moon we know today. The Theia hypothesis also explains why Earth's core is larger than would be expected for a body its size: according to the hypothesis, Theia's core and mantle mixed with Earth's
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theia_(planet)
 
davewhite04 said:
Yes in different parts of the whole world. So what's the chances of them all being localised? There was more than 1 boat.
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I doubt if there was any boat of any significance.
This flood was a result of a massive ice melt.
Think today if we had a 30 ft sea level rise over night...it would kill many destroy our world as we know it and send us back to the stone age...there is a school of thought that is what happened and at that time a relatively advanced world wide civilisation was in effect wiped out...the Sumarians talk of gods and some think those gods were some of the advanced folk left after the big wipe out...it would be like a hill billy like me having some smart folk from LA move to my mountain and do things that impressed me...not that I would call them gods but I hope you can see the possibility.
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
I doubt if there was any boat of any significance.
This flood was a result of a massive ice melt.
Think today if we had a 30 ft sea level rise over night...it would kill many destroy our world as we know it and send us back to the stone age...there is a school of thought that is what happened and at that time a relatively advanced world wide civilisation was in effect wiped out...the Sumarians talk of gods and some think those gods were some of the advanced folk left after the big wipe out...it would be like a hill billy like me having some smart folk from LA move to my mountain and do things that impressed me...not that I would call them gods but I hope you can see the possibility.
Alex
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You tangle my brain into knots! Waffler, me better? I doubt it!

You are correct on the Sumerian issue based on an English translation of their clay tablets.

Maybe I'll try to sort out the effect of the flood would have over time. But not now. Maybe soonish.

I get none of that hill billy mountain business :)
 
billvon said:
Probably. At some point there was probably a local flood, and some farmer took his daughter and their donkey on their boat to avoid the flood - and ended up out at sea a little longer than they expected.

4000 years later it turned into a great story.
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You have no idea about the concept of religion, and the philosophical ramifications. You are not debating, you should be banned. Do you think you know anything?
 
davewhite04 said:
You have no idea about the concept of religion, and the philosophical ramifications.
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Of course! Only you yourself are any kind of authority on religion. It must be taxing to have to deal with so many people who know nothing, compared to your brilliance. If only the world had more people like you.
You are not debating, you should be banned. Do you think you know anything?
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Looks like all the science is getting to you. Perhaps you'd be happier on a less fact-oriented board?
 
davewhite04 said:
You tangle my brain into knots! Waffler, me better? I doubt it!
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You are indeed a smooth talker.

I will find a video for you...but what I talk about is not mainstream ...still I am inclinded to think there may be something in it...
davewhite04 said:
I get none of that hill billy mountain business
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I am a shy hermit whos natural habitat is the bush..200 acres with no neighbours well above any future flooding...

My point is a 30 ft sea level rise would see most people wiped out leaving small pockets of folk like me to start the world again...well I would not bother you see.

However it does seem we may have a history that is hidden from us ... reason why its hidden is because it does not fit the major religions view...and like it or not they have enormous influence on what history we take on board.

Ask why are the Sumerians not taugh in school when they contributed so much to our modern world...most things even our calander apparently and yet no mention...its like why does Nikola Telsa not get mentioned in school...he only invented the electric motor, alternating current and the radio ...there is a long list...the greatest genius the world has seen...but no mention.


The answer to these questions comes down to the influence of religion.

In my view.

Alex
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
The Babble says they floated around for a hundred and fifty days.
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No, the bible says; 40 + 150 days = 190 days total.
After it rained that 40 days and nights, the waters prevailed on the earth for another 150 days [5 months] and everything that wasn’t aboard the Ark died. God made a mighty wind to pass over the earth and the waters began to recede. In fact, the Bible says that at the end of the 150 days of nothing but water, the Ark grounded itself on Mount Ararat. It was the 17th day of the 7th month of that year.
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https://beyondflannelgraph.wordpress.com/the-flood/how-long-did-the-flood-last/
 
davewhite04 said:
This atheist died from cancer a couple of years after this. What a great soul.

Patient, not too confident, knowledgeable, intelligent - brilliant combination.

Great guy, so to Kent. It is becoming funny why Kent says ape to men because he doesn't understand the theory he is debating properly. Beings like us lived and died and changed over time. If the earth is 4.2 million years old, then evolution yes, and why wouldn't it be that old?
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Billion, not million. 4.2 million only takes us back to the end of the Miocene.

But attacking Hovind is like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it? I mean, how many people take that tax-evading jailbird seriously? :biggrin:
 
davewhite04 said:
You have no idea about the concept of religion, and the philosophical ramifications. You are not debating, you should be banned. Do you think you know anything?
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Well, on the subject of knowing things, i.e. information, it might be relevant to refer readers to this thread on the possible origins of the biblical flood myth:
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/floods.159959/

We covered a lot of ground, and many different points of view and hypotheses were aired. Suffice it to say that there seem to be several contenders for real-life events that led to the flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is clearly the one that also appears in the bible.
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
I enjoyed the video to a small degree only because the christian guy was not an absolute raving nut case like the ones I seem to notice.
Alex
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How?

I listened to a couple minutes of the video and I turned it off. It's shit. "Deny God, deny God." Did Jan PM dave to post this video? What about agnostics not denying God? What about scientists accepting their own ignorance and knowing nothing is absolute besides mathematics?

Oh, what did he say about morality? Was there an implication that you can't be a moral person without a belief in God or some shit?

Fuck off! (not you)
 
Beer w/Straw said:
How?

I listened to a couple minutes of the video and I turned it off. It's shit. "Deny God, deny God." Did Jan PM dave to post this video? What about agnostics not denying God? What about scientists accepting their own ignorance and knowing nothing is absolute besides mathematics?

Oh, what did he say about morality? Was there an implication that you can't be a moral person without a belief in God or some shit?

Fuck off! (not you)
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Spoken from the heart, evidently. :smile:

I do agree "deny God" is an incredibly irritating phrase, especially when applied to someone simply expressing rational doubt or scepticism.

Conjures up visions of eyeball-rolling peasants crossing themselves and exclaiming "He hath blasphemed!!!!" etc. All very Monty Python.
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
The Ark didn't float until the rains had dropped enough water to accumulate to the point where sea level was high enough to reach it, not on the first day of the rains, so we have an impossible to calculate number that is something less than 190.
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True, but once the animals were on board hey needed to be fed and cared for.

Whether the boat is afloat or not is irrelevant. Question is if it was possible to have a scenario as described in the bible.

IMO, there is no possible way that one or two of each species could be maintained for several months.
As a youth, I worked in the Amsterdam zoo, which has a fair amount of species and the amount of food each week was brought in by trainloads. When all is covered by water, how does one gather a constant supply of food?
Water? Waste?
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
I never said anything about fodder.
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LOL, no one ever does. It seems to me it would be a serious consideration for an extended sea voyage...:)

We would not want the lions to get too hungry, else there would not be one or two of each kind very quickly.
Elephants have been known to eat more than a bag of potato chips.
Elephants may spend 12-18 hours a day feeding. Adult elephants can eat between 200-600 pounds of food a day. As herbivores, elephants consume grasses, tree foliage, bark, twigs, and other vegetation daily. Elephants can also drink up to 50 gallons of water a day about as much as a standard bathtub holds.
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Do the math!
 
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