They don't. Why would they? Their mechanisms and means produce the patterns we see directly and empirically; any time or resources spent on the abstraction and simplification necessary to create and employ mathematical functions that approximately describe what they just did would be completely wasted.
I disagree, the plants do the math and employ mathematical growth functions. Anthropomorphising at its best Of course they don't know they do that. The mathematical growth instructions eventually become hardwired in the DNA, by natural selection. No they don't. PHYSICS does not become wired into DNA by any sort of selection Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
The growth instruction is a simple equation, one size fits all. What mechanisms and means? The mathematics are applied 1 step at a time. No one is wasting time. Au contraire, it is one of the most efficient growth pattern in nature for a number of purposes. It is orderly and functional, just what nature likes. That's why it survived natural selection and became part of the DNA growth instruction. It is a "common denominator' in a host of dynamic natural growth patterns and part of the DNA growth instructions in biological organisms. The Fibonacci sequence is not a physical thing, it is a exponential (mathematical) growth pattern. Growth in biological patterns are contained in DNA growth instructions. The information why and how a plant grows its branches and leaves via Fibonacci patterns are contained in the organisms DNA growth instructions. WHY DO FIBONACCI NUMBERS APPEAR IN PATTERNS OF GROWTH IN NATURE? A MODEL FOR TISSUE RENEWAL BASED ON ASYMMETRIC CELL DIVISION 1. Introduction https://www.fq.math.ca/Papers1/55-5/Boman.pdf
DNA operates as per physics How far down this rabbit hole do you wish to go? For me it stops here Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
So does a computer program. When will you understand the nature of "information"? DNA is a biological memory stick. It holds the growth instruction for the organism for its entire life.
Because that is how physics fits stuff together Physics fits stuff together, Minions call some of this fitted together stuff information, and / or instruction Physics follows said information / instruction (note - labelled post action by physics). It follows BECAUSE IT HAS NO CHOICE Minions have gotten good at reading some of the information / instruction and can make predictions re the reactions which will flow from the information / instruction being followed Confidence in the prediction is due to the fact physics has no choice but to follow the information / instruction. They are ONE option out of a grand total of ONE option Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Right, that's how nature determined via "natural selection", how things fit together in the most efficient way. The result is a logical outcome of the gradual evolution of regular sets of growth pattern instructions in the organism's DNA. That's why; Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! What does DNA do: https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Deoxyribonucleic-Acid-Fact-Sheet# These are physical interactions, but the way they interact is based on the specific "values" of the DNA "words" which must be executed with mathematical rigor to yield reliable results. Natural selection is also responsible for the adoption of DNA mathematics as a reliable coding system for making exact copies and knowing when to start growth, when to stop growth, and what patterns growth itself must follow. This is what makes the mathematical function as the ideal candidate for universal dynamical growth functions, not the other way around. The universe is a mathematical pattern, because that's the only way it can function in an orderly manner.
There is no natural selection of physics Physics turns up with a "1 am here" attitude and "I am your only choice" What about "I am your only choice"? Perfect for a function in an orderly manner system Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Right, the only possible functional choice is the regularity of "mathematical (algebraic) functions" at all times. We know physics is based on the interaction of relational values (of all kinds) interacting via mathematical functions. Just as time and space are inextricably connected, so is universal physics inextricably connected to the mathematical functions as we have observed them to function everywhere equally. In a self-referential system one of the inevitable patterns (among others) that will emerge; 0 + 1 = 1 1 + 1 = 2 1 + 2 = 3 2 + 3 = 5 3 + 5 = 8 etc.
Why do you keep pushing "mathematical (algebraic) functions" into the mix PHYSICS did very well until Minions stuffed up big with "that looks nice, we will call that form and forms like it patterns" and "if we put this number (invented abstract) here along with another (invented abstract) here we can make a new (invented abstract). Aren't we clever" Should have stuck with "physics does produce nice looking snrettaps when physics works with this stuff" NOT Right, the only possible functional choice is the regularity of "mathematical (algebraic) functions" at all times. It's Right, the only possible PHYSICAL choice is the regularity of PHYSICAL ARRANGEMENTS at all times. We know physics is based on the interaction of relational values (of all kinds) Only because we CALL THEM relational values on perfectly good PHYSICAL VALUES. Minions stuff up AGAIN My contention is only one exists Only only only because Minions linked them. We (us Minions) will put this PHYSICAL ARRANGEMENT with this mathematical function Of course. Why when you invent a abstract system are you surprised it looks like your invention? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
That is the mathematical part of everything. The way all "values" (physical or otherwise) are being processed. In theory as observed in reality. (VALUE) INPUT --> (ALGEBRAIC) FUNCTION --> (VALUE) OUTPUT = MATHEMATICAL PROCESS.
Did you miss Right, the only possible PHYSICAL choice is the regularity of PHYSICAL ARRANGEMENTS at all times. ? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Are you religous? What you just posted suggests of appearance of "irreducible complexity" from "physics"? All of physics start with the evolution of dynamical metaphysics. Evolution from the "very subtle to gross expression in reality" (David Bohm) is all there is and Evolution is a mathematical discipline. And why not? It is LOGICAL, no?
Actually there are some variable physical arrangements of H2O . Water, Ice, Vapor, depending on the mathematical environmental values. If you can prove physics function physically in a mathematical regular manner, you are proving the metaphysically existence of Mathematics as an independent abstract property of spacetime and by extension physics itself. Physics is the scientific anthropomorphisation of universal mathematical relational values and mathematical processes. It evolves from an implication to a physical expression in reality. How else are we able to predict the future to a fairly high degree of confidence. If the mathematics hold for human expectation, it holds for any and all expectation, no? Anthropo.......... is the human interpretation and symbolization of everything, but that does not make the underlying logic false! What is stuff to you may not be stuff to someone else. But all stuff may be expressed as mathematical values to all ......Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino Not really physical anymore, is it? It's just a variable value, dependent on it's pattern.
As physics is a human endeavour, by which mankind studies aspects of nature quantitatively, the languages used are first and foremost words, to define the concepts and the quantities to be worked with, and then mathematics, to show the relationships between these quantities and construct models to predict their behaviour. And, er, that's it.
Posts Number 154 to long not read, skipped through Strange after Big Bang happened (not shown to be physics caused but a reasonable hypothesis) mathematics non existent Stuff is stuff even if stuff gets down to being small tiny bits of stuff Noooooo complexity is multiple parts needing to be present as a group to be able to operate. If one part not present the rest of the group cannot work I am about irreducibly simplicity Considering stuff didn't come into existence until the Universe, as it was then, cooled allowing stuff and anti stuff to form and then eliminating most of itself (back to energy???) in the stuff / anti stuff annihilation clean up So we come to the current situation where stuff won the conflict and Universe has more stuff then anti stuff Our Universe has finished in a unstable state since the combination of expansion and cooling lead to there being more stuff then anti stuff Stay tuned for a revelation - some Minions are working on it Me I am going to drop out (AGAIN) and do a bit more concentrating on my helpful assistant Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I agree. But if human mathematical models are sufficient to predict future outcomes, then does that not suggest a mathematical aspect to universal machinations? If the shoe fits...?
I'm out remember but since there are ads on TV and Kipti is out buying dinner and this is a short reply Was there stuff before stuff?? Unknown Speculation suggest (only for our Universe stuff) there was energy Before the energy before our Universe Here be a big unknown Dinner just arrived Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Bon Appetit....Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I agree with the concept of a fundamentally energetic dynamical state. (Bohm's "pure potential" from which the physical universe emerges in an evolutionary hierarchy of mathematical orders.) But is energy stuff? Does all energy have the same properties? Does energy give rise to stuff of different kinds? How do we know or are able to measure any difference between energy and stuff and stuff assembled in patterns, if at all? How does the Universe know? Does the universe "know" how things work, or does it "work" without needing to know how? If it does not need to know how things work, on what regularity does the universe depend to do the "work" (function), if at all ?.........Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!