Why are people against communism?

You said "contentment breeds mediocrity". I was merely commenting that you certainly seem to be the proof of that.
So tell me. How does it feel, now that you largely have what you desire?

It is not on me to prove that you haven't become rusty, Gusty.

 

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Have you tried hiring a lawyer? It seems hard to believe you wouldn't qualify for disability.

 

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You can't figure it out?

I'm just pointing out—

"The basic hypocracy of all who espouse communism is that they assume that human nature is somehow different for one economic system than it is for another."​

—your straw man.

 

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They aren't about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome .

 

Oh Yeah Patty Hearst . Yeah good Time for Me Shinning event in my Life . Wood Stock of Me life .
She could have been me baby sitter in an alternate universe . Yeah Way .
So Me Bridget and Mike Coy boy was traveling to L.A. to see some friends and on the way back we decide to to go to Hearst Castle . They claim it is the only real Castle on the west coast . The tour guide said " The way it is around here is if it looks gold it is gold . Gold inlay in the swimming pool tile work for gods sake . Anyway we are in the guest house and I stop cold in Me feet . The rest of the group is going on and I can't move . Mike Coy Me friend room mate and travel buddy comes up to Me and says " we got to go the groups getting away. Then He adds " What is the matter with you , why you staring at that picture like a zombie. I open my mouth and say " That is my Grand Father . That is a picture of my fucking grand father . He says " Fuck Mike you will say anything . Get the fuck out of here lets go . So we leave , but Bridget buys a book on the life of Randolph Hearst . She is reading it as we are driving back to Sacramento . Then all of a sudden she said " There is a Greathouse in this Book . They call him old Cajure Greathouse and Talk about how they had to send him to Japan to get him out of there hair . They were talking about Clarence Ridgley Greathouse The U.S. Ambassador to Japan . That is another big story in it self as he was in Korea around the time of Queen Min.
Anyway First Cousin to Isaac Ridgley Me Grand Father ,so you get the drift . I didn't learn this shit until later in life but I sure knew that was Me Grand Fathers picture in the Castles guest house .

 

How is this a straw man?
Perhaps I'm being a ilttle harsh with the "all" (although it does appear quite true in the case of the op'er) but I've yet to meet an individual who manages to address it effectively.

Perhaps you'd care to try?

 

I saw it, it's a paradoy on anti-socialism, and also utterly irrelevant to the context of the conversation it was in (other than random entertainment value).

 

In much of the West, the working class. But in non-republican nations, there still exists a system of feudalism...perpetrated by those you defend, the landowners. It is one thing to defend land ownership where land is justly acquired (homesteaded, which I still do not find perfect)...but why do relatively few individuals get to own 2/3 of arable land in a country though they have never worked it?

That is wrong. They use that leverage to siphon off wealth from the people in the form of rent even though they have NEVER worked the land and own it merely because their ancestors were very brutal aristocrats.

When I say peasant class, I am referring mostly to the undeveloped world, which is enslaved by foreign interests. In the West, I refer to the working class, since there isn't much of a peasant class.

Your view of history is so wrong, I don't even know where to start. Lenin wasn't a perfect man, like I said; but he was true of heart and he AT LEAST got rid of the aristocrats, and got rid of the Royal Arses. He also brought to the forefront the great injustice that was Russian landownership, where land was held by a minority of aristocrats that never worked the land and yet profited form the labor of the workers. He also called out Western imperialism and colonialism.

Lenin also brought education, health care, and jobs to the peasants, and improved the literacy rate (much like Che Guevera, another hero you probably hate).

Sheesh, he sounds so evil....

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I think it's rather natural for people to be extremely angry after CENTURIES of oppression..but wait, were it up to you, you'd have them wait around for "peaceful reform". Wait around and continue to be exploited.

Leninism was also uniquely necessary to Russia because Russia wasn't industrialized (and it became industrialized under communism, what a coincidence, right?)...Marx's theory applied to industrialized societies. Russia was an agrarian one.

I think it is pretty darn well for the common good if land is redistributed from feudal lords to the peasants who work it. I think it's also great that Lenin brought education, health care, and jobs to the people, and inspired a Soviet Renaissance of culture.

Religion is stupid anyway, and the Church has always been oppressive.

Let's try thinking for a little while.

The "educated" were almost exclusively those of the upper tier of society...the same people who were aristocrats and landowners. Of course it makes sense that the educated of that time period, during that situation, were also the ones opposing communism.

So what, violence can't be used for good? It can, and has been.

Lenin was caught in a remarkable time. As a land lawyer in feudal Russia, he WITNESSED the great injustice against the peasant class.......he was very emotionally motivated by his cause, which was the empowerment of the peasant and working class.

You can hate him; I hate ignorant pro-exploitation conservatives like you. But he was still a hero.

Their "choice" was equality..or worse yet, they could be like the dumbasses in the UK who defend Monarchy, as you rightly pointed out, because they don't know any better.

Except it doesn't have to; you are brought up to be a cynic of human nature.

What is more rewarding than working for the common good?

 

Actually, upon second thought, the title "Stockholm Syndrome" was fitting to the idea of the feature - namely that the Swedes are suffering Stockholm Syndrome at the hands of Communism/Socialism, and that they need to be saved from it.

 

I agree.
I don't see why Tiassa thinks this is a strawman.

 

Yeah ditto !!

 

If only it were clear what that is ...

 

and the flaw with those who demonize communism is they tend to not want human nature to change because it would mean changing themselves. but humans have changed and they do improve or make even revolutionary strides while all along there are naysayers who think things should just stay as they are. history is like that.

ufc:

i think the world is headed towards a better balance than what is now. i think more communist principles will happen naturally in the future on a worldwide scale. this is because rampant capitalism with it's greed hurts a lot of people as well. remember, there has never been true communism so those who have very cynical views of it is not due to communism but the failures of people. but people can learn from the past. i think technology will have a really critical force for more communistic principles to be able to work. it may happen one day.

there was a time in the distant past where no one would have believed that slavery would be considered wrong or that women's rights would be considered or even fought for etc.

i think you have good ideas but i think people think you are getting ahead of yourself or not considering the time that we live in right now BUT there needs to be more people who even consider the issue or start which you are doing. you will have a lot of naysayers due to past failures though but that doesn't mean it can't be successful in the future with the right formula which at the heart of it will be people who will be ready for it, when and if that happens.

 

I think s/he's being entirely too doctrinaire and entirely too bloodthirsty.

It's not that I don't want a modicum of social equality and justice...it's just that I don't tend to think revolution will really do that...that evolutionary social change is better suited for bringing about the sort of differing attitudes needed to make a better society.

There's intangibles that are very important.
People have to be acculturated differently.

 

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

This oft-quoted line does not eliminate exploitation; it merely shifts the focus of exploitation from those who have ability to those who do not.

The theory of communism is as much about about greed, or envy, as any other.

Envy, under the guise of altruism.
Sounds rather familiar, doesn't it.

 

Actually, I was just reading this fellow two above me.

Still completely failing to realise that true free market capitalism isn't about exploitation any more than communism is, and in reality doesn't exist either, due to those very same human flaws.

He's not only throwing out the baby with the bathwater, but refusing to acknowledge there is a baby in there to begin with.

 

Believe it or not they teach these fantasies in high school. I heard the same exact thing from my German teacher.

So if theres never been "true communism" the wtf is it?

 

about the original Q? It has failed every country that tried it that's why period.