A Universe from Nothing: Not that hard to understand.

Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by paddoboy, Feb 3, 2017.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Just! Was late picking up the better half due to road flooding....
    And thank you also, although I disagree.
    Sure there's nothing wrong in saying we don't know, and I havn't dismissed that entirely......I'm just saying that we do have reason to believe the something from nothing aspect is viable, despite it sometimes sounding "religious"
    The beauty of science is not being afraid of that fact, the same as having to drop other intuitive aspects such as the absolute nature of space and time, and again, spacetime expansion.
    Sure we observe it expanding [cosmological redshift] but how and why are questions in the same vogue as something from nothing.
    Take it easy!

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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I understand but if for no other reason than showing how members can disagree without one stalking the other I disagree.
    If we look to quantum fluctuations etc we imply something which is far remove d from nothing.
    However I respect your right to hold an opinion so long as you respect the fact that I am always right.
    I again thank you for all your ops.
    I also applaud your ability to resist the baits offered by others driven to stalk you.
    You have proved to be the better man and deserve congratulations.
    I so enjoy your posts please keep it up.
    Could be a long wet day.

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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Been there, done that!

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    with regards to the shingle vacx!
    Thanks again.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Agree.

    Agree. But that's a much more moderate stance than you were making previously.

    Certainly. My point was not that God is a good explanation, but that our speculations about pre-BB are not. Not scientifically.

    Sure, there's lots of theoretical work that can be done, but, like string theory (actually, worse than string theory), there's no hope of finding corroboration in the form of evidence. As Ex and Yaz call it, it will be metaphysics.
     
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  8. StrangerInAStrangeLa SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Define nothing.

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  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    An excellent point.
     
  10. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    absence of everything.
     
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  11. Anti-stupidity Registered Member

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    If there really was ever philosophical nothing (Yes, I know that i'm talking about nothing as something but let me just do this without having my head explode) then wouldn't it be defined as that which has no properties. If it has no properties, would that include being governed by laws of logic then the law of non-contradiction does not count, thus nothing can be something.

    While something cannot make sense to become nothing, nothing becoming something can happen because otherwise nothing would follow some kind of rule or property.

    Sound like something?

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    But really, what do you think?

    I've always heard arguments from physics but what about the negation of the concept from philosophy. Nothing can't be something, not even itself.

    It's a useless concept to begin with, i've always saw it as meaningless in describing reality.
     

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