Can do. P1 God exists P2 God is perfect P3 People are designed by God C1 The design of people must be perfect (from P2 and P3) You've asserted all of these premises. There is a nice initial list of obvious design defects listed by billvon in post 353. They're not labeled as design defects, but they are all indeed faults in the design, not defects in any particular person like a missing arm would be. Therefore C1 is empirically false, and if follow that either P2 or P3 must be false. If P1 is false, all of them are false. Perhaps the OP should be quoted: This line of discussion is completely in line with the OP. No need to move on. You want to move on because of the evidence against your position is overwhelming. To hold to your premises you have to assert that each of the design defects listed (and others) is actually better than the improvements suggested. It's good that I would have died 3 times as a child without the aid of modern medical intervention. My wife would have died in childbirth with any of our 3 children. 3 of these 4 deaths were due to design problems, not 's**t happens'. The one exception was a fatal disease, and even that can be spun as a design defect since a perfectly designed person would have been immune to that disease.