I don't get qualia eliminativism, how far does it go. I'm completely OK with the notion of eliminating folk notions of qualia, things like naïve realism and representationism, dualism, or whatever theoretical properties of qualia. But can it really be eliminated altogether, without being as nonsensical as to maintain "universe eliminativism"? By "altogether" I mean eliminating qualia in its most basic sense, "the way things seem to us". Is anyone (such as Dennett) really meaning that "there's no such thing 'as the way things seem to us'"? :bugeye: Such phrasing would only be "better" if it were "there's no such thing as 'the way things seem to us', or so it seems to us".