Amnesty International and Hamas

Discussion in 'World Events' started by BenTheMan, Feb 19, 2009.

  1. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/02/421824.html?c=on#comments

    Especially interesting is the comment below the article:

    Is it ok for a government, during time of war, to torture and kill it's own civilians? It seems to me that this commenter just justified the American internment of Japanese during WWII...
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Does Hamas have autonomy? They are not an independent nation like America. They have to protect themselves from collaborators like the ones who gave away key positions to the Israelis in the Gaza war.

    A more apt comparison would be Patriots who killed Loyalists in the American war.

    Or Jews who killed collaborators in Warsaw.
     
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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It's more like the brownshirts, cementing their hold on power by assassinating their rivals, they are political thugs. Their lack of legitimacy is proved by the fact that so many of their own citizens oppose them.
     
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  7. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    Does it matter?

    Are you justifying these events?
     
  8. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    What penalty does TREASON carry in the US?
     
  9. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    There is no crime in the United States that carries a penalty of extrajudicial, public execution/handicapping.

    Is a process in which gunmen storm into hospitals and summarily murder patients who are suspected of collaboration really your idea of a defensible system for national justice?
     
  10. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Hamas is autonnomy, Gaza is supposed to be an independant nation, too bad the palestinian government is too lazy to produce food to feed itself.
     
  11. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    jail, at the worst. But hey, people in the USA enjoy it so much more than anywhere else, i guess it usually doesnt happen.
     
  12. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    What treason? Fatah? Fatah is treason? really, I would say Hamas is the one committing treason.

    When? where? the trial? what jury? who said they committed treason?

    So that means I can decide that you have committed treason and just shoot you with no trial.

    Aren't you one who screams about Abu Ghrieb and Gitmo, and you defend this.

    http://www.humanrights-geneva.info/Palestinian-Detained-and-Tortured,1974

    Palestinian Detained and Tortured in al- Mashtal Detention Center Dies
    16 July 07



    Ah yes, Strawdog, so if it is a Muslim doing the torturing and murder, you dismiss it as taking care of Traitors, and the penalty for treason.

    Can you wrap your mouth around the word hypocrite, or even look at your self in the mirror.
     
  13. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    No, you can be put to death for treason, although it hasn't happened in quite some time. It's fairly difficult to convict someone of treason, the way its defined in the Constitution, so traitors are usually tried for the lesser crime of espionage instead. Which can also result in the death penalty, but most of the time does not.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yes it does, how did the French Resistance deal with the Vichy?

    Is it the same as the French government deals with spies?

    How did Jews in Warsaw deal with collaborators?

    Is it the same as Israelis deal with spies?

    Autonomy is the difference between governance and resistance.

    No just pointing out that they are not unique and occur in all societies in similar situations.

    Just transpose the names:

    http://www.warsaw-life.com/poland/warsaw-ghetto-uprising

    In France, it went both ways:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice
     
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  15. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Umm... except perhaps suspected terrorists? Like in Gitmo?

    No. I condemn this 100%.
     
  16. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Steady on. I simply asked what penalty TREASON carries in the US? Do you have a answer?

    Where did I defend this?

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    No. I am simply pointing out a CONTEXT. Traitors, wherever they are, are essentially treated in the same manner. Execution.

    No, I much prefer wrapping my mouth around a nice slice of cheesecake.

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  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Usually, the punishment for treason used to be execution by firing squad


    Including in the US:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firing_squad
     
  18. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    SAM, after trial, not summary extrajudical execution.

    Aren't you the one who was all over U.S. Troops for executing Iraqi Trators, with out trial.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure the "trials" in the civil war were as illuminating as the ones for Gitmo.

    You can't hold a trial after being bombed for a month. You just get rid of the spies.

    The US has no jurisdiction in Iraq. They are not the ones resisting occupation.

    If the Iraqis were to execute those collaborating with the US, that would be the parallel analogy.

    Unless you think it was wrong of the Warsaw Jews and French resistance to execute collaborators.

    edit: here is another story that has stayed with me:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12355.htm

    This covers it:

     
  20. copernicus66 Banned Banned

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    Who fucking cares? We're talking about Hamas, not the U.S.A.
     
  21. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    So as long as it is a Muslim doing the killing it is perfectly fine with you, that is all you have proven with your last series of post.

    SAM uses the moral relevancy card again, excuse every Muslim Atrocity by pointing some were else as a excuse.
     
  22. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    I almost forgot. The US is ABOVE the laws that govern the rest of the planet.

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  23. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    There's a number of technicalities I could point to here, but perhaps I will content myself with pointing out that the closure of Gitmo has already been ordered.

    Not that pointing out that the Bush Administration was almost as bad as Hamas in some respects added up to an interesting response even when W was in power...

    Could have fooled me.
     

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