An experiment in Atheism

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by S.A.M., Jun 23, 2007.

  1. Jeff 152 Registered Senior Member

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    agreed. But as sam makes impossible rules she gloats as we can't answer
     
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  3. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    Horse manure.

    The best way I can think of to help you figure it out is to ask if you have children. Now, after being born they do not assert that gods do not exist, they simply lack a belief in the existence of gods, or mermaids, or coffee flavoured ice cream. They 'lack a belief' they do not assert non-belief.

    It's actually quite simple to work out if you put some thought into it. I would kindly ask you to do so.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No I want to hear an argument for atheism that does not involve debasing theists. For anything to be successful in the evolutionary context, it must offer survival advantages.

    Btw, I don't gloat, I merely chortle.
     
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  7. Jeff 152 Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, that is correct. Maybe I just had a bad experience, but whenever I expressed my own opinions in sunday school that opposed what the teacher and the church said, I was punished for doubting.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If they are born in the woods and they grow up there, they also have no language or structured thought. i.e. they believe nothing.
     
  9. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    O...k so they have no language blah de blah. Did you understand what was stated on my post, do you now realise the vast difference between a lack of belief and a belief?
     
  10. Jeff 152 Registered Senior Member

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    why can't the problems in theism be an argument for atheism. If i open door number 1 and don't like what i see, isnt that a good enough argument for picking door number 2?
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I know a belief is a tenet that is held to be true, even in the absence of evidence. I fail to see how atheism does not fall into this. Atheists believe there is no God.

    It doesn't matter if you say I believe there is no God or I disbelieve in God, just as it does not matter if I say I believe you lie or I disbelieve you.
     
  12. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    No, no, no, no, NO!. (some do, sure)

    Most lack a belief in gods, like your child does not have a belief there are no gods but merely lacks belief in gods.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Thats bivalent thinking. I do believe atheism is a result of bivalent thinking.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Is atheism the opposite of theism or not? Because I fail to see any evidence either way.

    Rational conclusions demand falsification.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    My child also believes in Santa, until he believes there is no Santa.

    You guys need training in thinking.
     
  16. wsionynw Master Queef Valued Senior Member

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    For me atheism is not a choice, I can't help being an atheist because there is nothing I have experienced that lends to believe in a God or many Gods.
    As an atheist I have no reason to believe in heaven or hell, so my life does not revolve around what I think my personal God does or does not want me to do. It's freedom of thought, expression and education, I suppose.
     
  17. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Complete nonsense. This thread is pointless based on the lack of understanding from it's author of the subject matter.

    Send to Cesspool.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well I see theism as the door to my freedom in thought, expression and education.

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  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Humph. This thread is pointless due to the subject matter which is also pointless.
     
  20. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    And before he had that original belief? He lacked a belief.. right?
     
  21. Jeff 152 Registered Senior Member

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    If you go to the middle of the jungle and find some ancient tribe that is completely isolated from the outside world, do they beleive that there is no such thing as a TV? or do they just lack a belief in TVs?
     
  22. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Who said it is the better option?
    It really depends on what type of person you are...
    Some NEED religion like they need a drug.
    Some can not find the comfort in anything else that they find in religion.

    It all depends how you view "better".

    But being a "better" option does not make one more correct in this instance.


    One thing atheism does do is remove an irrelevancy for those that can function just as well without it.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No before that he lacked cognitive thinking skills or the concept of Santa.

    See, a concept demands a stand, even an abstract one.
     

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