Are we living in a 2-D hologram?

Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by Arne Saknussemm, Aug 27, 2014.

  1. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    I can't say I really understand this (Much obliged to any one who can dumb it down):
    Are we living in a 2-D hologram? Fermilab aims to find out or this other article However, I do think I understand about 'the jiggle' - thanks to the photo below. You can see the teapot, can't you?

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    I can't wait to find out. I've already downloaded Edwin Abbott Abbott's Flatland in case this is a two-dimensional universe. (Erm, yes, that's Abbott Abbott). I could really use a cuppa about now. How about you?
     
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  3. river

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    Absolutely not

    Mathematical thinking , which is what this is , is irrational and therefore not logical
     
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  5. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    I can't understand a word you are saying. Mathematical thinking is what what is? What 'absolutely not'? You can't see the teapot? Or you just refuse to? Speaky da Engleesh? Can you make some effort to make just a little bit of sense.

    Teapot Hints: It's short and stout. It has a handle. It has a spout.
     
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  7. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    If you want a better understanding of what they are attempting, you're better off going to the source.
    http://holometer.fnal.gov/
     
  8. Walter L. Wagner Cosmic Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    The very tip of the spout is light-tan (very light brown). If you can't see it, you're trying to focus too hard to see it.

    But I'm not certain that has much to do with 'reality' as a 2D hologram.
     
  9. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure of anything! The articles state:
    I think it also has something to do with 2-D having more information capacity, or more economical use thereof (if that's even an issue) so the teapot image shows how 'God' could have saved Himself a lot of work. (Why create a universe when you can just paint one?) And as Conan (The Barbarian, not the talk show host observed), 'If the world is an illusion, then I too am part of the illusion, and so the world is real enough for me.' I don't know what Conan O'Brien's view on all this is.

    As for the teapot, hold a finger in front of your eyes so as you see a double image. Then with your eyes still unfocused like that, find the teapot. Yes the tip of the spout is tan, but if you really see it you need not bother about such trifles. It certainly isn't a very attractive teapot, but what of it since it may be a dream within a dream within a dream?
     
  10. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, thanks. I've read it. Very helpful. So when I can see the teapot and then shift my gaze a bit, the way the background moves... is that akin to holographic noise?
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I am, but I haven't seen any of you there. In fact all I see are lines of various lengths.
     
  12. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    A:Who was that triangle I saw you with last night?
    B: That was no triangle; that was my wife.

    (Flatland joke)
     
  13. kmguru Staff Member

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    Sounds good to me...
     
  14. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    This reminds me of the nonsense notion that we might be living in a virtual reality created by some advanced technological culture.

    Did any of you see the Matrix?

    It was interesting enough to be enjoyable, but I prefer my SciFi to be more logical.

    A pill engested by the virtual person is not going to affect the real person held captive in the matrix.

    The Martial Arts battles in the virtual reality similarly have no effects on the real world.​

    Similarly, I enjoyed many Star Trek episodes, but technology will never be able to build the Star Trek transporter.

    The Star Gate technology is also far fetched, but at least there is some equipment on the receiving end of the trip.

    The existence of receiving equipment makes if at least vaguely possible, which is all I ask of my SciFi.

    BTW: Some of the humorous SciFi produced by Hollywood & TV script writers is well done. Star Quest with Tim Allen is a good example.
     
  15. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Notions of the world being virtual have been reasoned far before the Matrix film, while the original film was good as Scifi goes it's usually frowned upon relating to it in relationship to the actual attempted scientific rationale of the universe being a simulation.

    In a simulated universe system, 2D would be the "Medium" to communicate information within a network infrastructure, the "3D" would therefore be virtualised (from an observational perspective) more than holographic for anyone observing "out" of the box. (However these points don't necessarily reflect on what the Holometer is attempting to do)
     

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