Are we made in God's image?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    You absolutely broke me up...yesterday I was going to post the slight purple...you can be a clever little sausage...this means I must look for hidden meanings in your stuff that I casually dismiss as nonsense..well don't stop now you have my attention.
    Alex
     
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  3. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I'm enjoying myself too. But I am taking a break. Whenever I post on the religion forum here, I end up responding to two or more people at a time. Not that I am complaining, it just requires a lot of time. I'm presently participating on a another forum that is also engaging, yet it is the flip side of Sciforums.

    As always, a pleasure. I have no doubt we will do it again soon.

    Bowser
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    The first in essence not particularly helpful and appears to put the onus back to the person asking for a definition

    Since current science is leaning towards the Universe NOT having a beginning but has always existed I guess god becomes nothing

    So that's settled

    But if you are not prepared to accept science my definition of the whatever would be COVID 10

    I can see the title of my book now

    The WORD according to COVID 10

    "In the beginning...."

    Since you are not going to be a little more specific then whatever I will chant out a few thousand whatever's and you can eliminate or confirm each

    Are you ready?

    But of course according to below it's word games

    Here's a word - EVASION. Is evasion a game? (rhetorical - don't bother with answer as I would expect only a evasion)

    Moving on

    Miriam-Webster good place to start, where I found

    Synonyms : metaphysical, otherworldly, paranormal, preternatural, transcendent,supernatural, unearthly

    Antonyms : natural

    There is a lot lot lot more feel free to browse

    However the Synonyms listed would, for me, fit into making

    but could be I'm playing word games or (gasp) evasion

    Parts of the rest of the waffle in that post is ripe for comment but bored with word games and evasion, need grown up discussion

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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    In other words the usual gutless cop out.
    The most salient point though, is even with a universe with a beginning, it does not necessarily need any supernatural creator.
    While still certainly speculative, it can be reasonably inferred from current knowledge of quantum mechanics and science in general including particle accelerators and colliders, that the BB/SPACE/TIME/UNIVERSE evolved due to a fluctuation in the quantum foam. Now obviously we would need to redefine what nothing is....perhaps our general picture of nothing, like no space, no time, no quantum foam, no anything, is impossible...perhaps the quantum foam [which afterall is fairly close to what we conventionally describe as nothing, is actually nothing, and that this nothing has always existed. Far more logical then imagining some all powerful, almighty deity that just happened to exist forever.
    An educated speculative scenario if you will. [See Lawrence Krauss]
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Tiassa:

    Indeed. But not my word games. Jan's word games.

    See "Definition of God" thread. Remember, this is Jan's definition of God. I helped him to understand what he was talking about, that's all.

    Jan's not surprised. It's essentially his definition. Maybe you should read through the Definition of God thread. Then you'll have the appropriate context to know what you're talking about.

    How can he be wrong about a definition? He's defining God to be a certain thing. Given that definition, the question of this thread - which you apparently missed - is whether we human beings are "created in the image of God".

    As for you, you aren't even discussing the thread question.

    You can post your own preferred definition of God in the Definition of God thread if you like, and explain.

    I know that I'd like people to try to give an honest answer to the question I asked in the opening post of this thread. It's not about what I know. I'm trying to find out what other people believe and why.

    You missed the point.
    Sure I do. Do you want to discuss it? Why not post about the topic, rather than all this meta stuff about my presumed motives etc.? Wouldn't it be simpler to assume that when I start a thread, I want to discuss the topic I raise in the opening post?

    I don't have any biblical demands. I'm an atheist. Those who do make biblical demands, however, sometimes say that we are made in God's image, as I noted in the opening post. I want to find out what they mean by that - also as explained clearly in the opening post.

    Why are you so interested in Jan, or my ability to "cope with" him? What's your stake in this?

    You're rambling. Is this supposed to somehow address the question of this thread?

    Who? Why?

    Supposed by whom? You? Who is "they"?
     
  9. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Therefore they are not (pretty much) the same.
    If you asked do I believe I am a human being, I would have the same answer. I don’t have to.
    But seeing as this is the title of the the thread, I will say yes, I believe we were created in the image of God.
    You asked how is God like a human being. I responded.
    Where did you get the idea of “.. created in the image of God”? The Bible?
    Stop playing games and get to the point.

    So man is created in the image of God, as it says in the Bible. Now what?
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Firstly one could ask ...does that mean god and man are look alikes..you know if god was dressed in a t shirt, shorts, thongs ( flip flops in USA) and walking thru the shopping mall would he look like just a guy in a t shirt, in shorts wearing flip flops ... would he have reproductive organs ? If yes then why? If not did he form the first man without and add bits later when he was building a mate for man...and if they were to be immortal why even bother with reproduction? Would god have the necessary bits to discard the non nutritional stuff in his hamburger and coke...would he need a hair cut and a shave else appear as anything other than a big hairy ball from eons spent in eternity?

    I just wonder if the anonymous authors that invented god thought thru the details...have you?

    Or does "in his image" mean something more than we can infer from that cute phrase?

    And I just can't stop thinking about that author sitting around, perhaps with writers block wondering what to write about but in an instant magically inspired starts to write..In the beginning etc...you know that is simply hilarious when you think about it..his wife calls out..how's the book going dear?
    Oh just preachy..let me read it for you..what do you think...that's nice dear you have such a wonderful imagination but really stick to breeding goats no one is going to buy yet another book on yet another god.
    But god spoke to me and told me how he created everything and made man in his image out of mud...Yes dear now you put your hat on when you go out in the Sun and stop drinking the fermented grape juice.

    I just don't know the idea that this alleged creator of the universe took the time to pop into the mind of an ancient human who did not even know where the Sun went at night to outline how he created everything seems impossible to take seriously but when you get to the bit where this mythical creator is said to make a man out of mud in his image you really have to wonder...so how tall is god..folk were shorter back then..does that mean god would be shorter than the average guy in a t shirt, shorts and flip flops in the shopping mall...

    Now of course Jan will not answer, it's not that he would not like to but clearly Jan has never thought too deeply about how the first couple of lines were written ..In the beginning....I would have thought one could find something a little more attention grabbing..like once upon a time..for example...now that how you start a good yarn.

    And Jan if there is anyone who would be well advised to take the advice they offer to others it would be you...what was it again...oh yes.."Stop playing games and get to the point"...if only you could do just that.

    Alex
     
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  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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  13. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I added more after that.
    Alex
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I did but hard to explain about why it was off topic. I deleted and put off topic and posted

    Here's one for MR - ghost of my ramblings keep reappearing. Think the auto save to blame

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  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    My milk tastes funny.
    Alex
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Except it is based on myth and the ignorance of ancient man, along with some obscure book, written by obscure men, in an age of obscurity....much like yourself and other fanatical creationists.
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    So.. that is your opinion. Now what?
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No it's science...my opinion, along with your questionable opinion, has exactly no bearing on the facts and theories as presented by science.
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    How long have you been lactating?

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  20. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It’s not science.
    You’re not for science.
    You support a materialist philosophy.
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    When I wrote that I thought someone might go down that road but I thought to myself (I usually just think to myself) no one would think that but you did... talk about milking a joke.

    Alex
     
  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    If you added a smiley face people could think you are not Lieing.

    Honestly Jan... Paddo, although not a professional scientist is about as into science as one could get. I first started coming here because each day he would faithfully post interesting science news and is so supportive of mainstream science folk often refer to him as a gate keeper for science ... You are joking right?
    Alex
     
  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    It's the retired Midwife come back

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