Are you an introvert or extrovert?

Jeeves said:
How would they know? The ones who refuse don't get past the office of the recruiter who lost them, who doesn't want the blame for losing a good prospect and doesn't put that on the form as "reason for rejection".
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And therefore how do you know?
 
wegs said:
The thing about those tests imo is that they really only highlight a sliver of our core personalities. Under actual deadline pressure, for example, you might respond differently than how you answered the question on the test. Sort of follows suit with how many people are terrible interviewees, but kill it in the workplace. Others are awesome interviewees, but basically fabricated their experience and skill set, and end up doing very poorly at their jobs. Those tests really won't guarantee that someone is fit or not fit for a particular job.
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Of course. Neither will an interview (they could lie.) Neither will a review of their resume (again, they could lie.) Neither will a perusal of recommendations from previous employers. About the best way you can do an interview is actually test them, but you can't test someone for all the skills they will need for most jobs.

Often potential employers use all the above to get a better sense of whether someone will work out.
 
billvon said:
Of course. Neither will an interview (they could lie.) Neither will a review of their resume (again, they could lie.)
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It is much easier to manipulate answers to a personality test than it is to wing it in an interview. Resumes can be fact-checked, both independently, and in the interview.

Non-verbal cues are critical assessment tools, which is why face-to-face interviews are still the gold standard.
 
Probably the company should shop around for better - what are the called? Human Resources Associate?
But he'll cheat on the test.
 
Seattle said:
I worked in a manufacturing company once, in the Engineering Dept. I had a good friend who was a good engineer but she wasn't good at dealing with the other engineers who were mainly guys.

None of them were "bullies". They were demanding where necessary, results oriented and she wasn't. She was too concerned with how they talked to her (they talked to her like they talked to everyone else). She would ignore a meeting with someone who rubbed her the wrong way or go to her boss and complain.

As I said she was, and is, one of my best friends. I'm on her side in most every situation but I had to admit (only to myself) that she wasn't very effective in her job. If a personality test had weeded her out (in part) for this job then it would actually have done her a service.

Corporate America does require a certain toughness and results orientation generally.
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Men in business communicate differently than women, on average. Less words, more abrupt. I’m kind of like her :oops: but I’ve learned that things aren’t personal, it’s business. The experience I’m in now is working with mainly men and it’s helped me grow and develop an inner confidence. Truth be told, as women, if we want to be treated equally, then we need to be treated equally.
 
DaveC426913 said:
It is much easier to manipulate answers to a personality test than it is to wing it in an interview. Resumes can be fact-checked, both independently, and in the interview.

Non-verbal cues are critical assessment tools, which is why face-to-face interviews are still the gold standard.
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I wonder if there’s another secretive reason behind the use of these tests, because you’re right.
 
wegs said:
The thing about those tests imo is that they really only highlight a sliver of our core personalities. Under actual deadline pressure, for example, you might respond differently than how you answered the question on the test. Sort of follows suit with how many people are terrible interviewees, but kill it in the workplace. Others are awesome interviewees, but basically fabricated their experience and skill set, and end up doing very poorly at their jobs. Those tests really won't guarantee that someone is fit or not fit for a particular job.
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precisely.
selling an image to someone in an interview is as much about the self belief and appealing to the ego of the interviewer.
a good interviewer is a highly trained skill set.
They can see past all the bullshit, lies and ego & self disbelief and see the actual person underneath.
they know how to probe specific questions on point for them to leverage the aptitude gauge to define the persons ability to function and or excel in the specified field.

though... i have only met 1 who sits comfortably & without question in the gold seat position who had nearly 10 years experience prior to the role as a recruitment specialist.
she could see right through anybody in an interview though you never really realise it, once you had finished you felt like you had a good time, felt positive, and she could literally write a basic outline of your professional aptitude like a shopping list, knowing where and what points she would need to up-skill to get the 5 star result.
... and its not that bullshit 5 star fakery
its the real measurable results on sales and income and service response surveys that put her into the number 1 position.
i saw it 1st hand, lived it.

one of the big differences is in the ownership(by the interviewer) of the person being employed.

if the interviewer has no specific day to day interaction, then the nature of the interview changes.
the ability of the interviewer to train and direct and up-skill the person is the key to the nature of the investment into the ability of the interviewer mostly.

this is a big part of the bigger problem with American and Indian and Chinese fake college degrees and cheating/fake resume's.

you are much better off to employ someone whom has not got a degree than someone who has a degree which they have cheated to get or got a degree just to get a degree which they are not really interested in.

but... the idea is all around ego of the person doing the employing and their innate need to have their ass kissed endlessly while the employee virtue signals to chauvinism and extreme capitalism as moral absolutes of business ethos.

the real power behind the change in interview style and real-candidate-aptitude-investment-to-studys is from the emergence of the female work force and the female management.
 
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gmilam said:
The company that made me take the test that said I was management material also made me pee in a jar.
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they didnt
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made me
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gmilam said:
made me
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you sold your rights to them for nothing in return
you gave away something of value for no return
you broke the number 1 rule of capitalism

you sold your milking cow for a handful of magic beans that they said they will never give you until you earn it.

you were conned into becoming their slave

did they pay you travel money and minimum half days wages for going to take the test ?

1st they came for your permission to ask you if you are a drug addict
2nd they came and told you they now own your rights to call you a drug addict in public
3rd they came to demand you give them your own bodily fluids...
 
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RainbowSingularity said:
they didnt



you sold your rights to them for nothing in return
you gave away something of value for no return
you broke the number 1 rule of capitalism
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15 years of well paid employment with matching 401k and insurance doing a job I enjoyed isn't exactly nothing in return.

However, the company did eventually go bankrupt due to poor management.
 
wegs said:
Men in business communicate differently than women, on average. Less words, more abrupt. I’m kind of like her :oops: but I’ve learned that things aren’t personal, it’s business. The experience I’m in now is working with mainly men and it’s helped me grow and develop an inner confidence. Truth be told, as women, if we want to be treated equally, then we need to be treated equally.
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Guys have to learn too. If you work for a female and they ask you to complete some task if you have time to do it, it means "Do it". Some guys don't do it because they didn't have time. Those are the guys who haven't worked for a female.

In the "old" days :) it wasn't unusual to hate to work for a female because many were just figuring things out and were trying to be more manly than a man. :) A female who is competent and comfortable in her skin, in my experience, is likely to be more pleasant to work with/for than many guys.

You make a good point though, if you want to be treated equally don't be offended when you are treated equally. :) Guys generally don't/can't make excuses. You just have to get the job done. Women have to do the same if they want to be promoted equally.
 
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That's so adorable :D
 
Seattle said:
Guys have to learn too. If you work for a female and they ask you to complete some task if you have time to do it, it means "Do it". Some guys don't do it because they didn't have time. Those are the guys who haven't worked for a female.

In the "old" days :) it wasn't unusual to hate to work for a female because many were just figuring things out and were trying to be more manly than a man. :) A female who is competent and comfortable in her skin, in my experience, is likely to be more pleasant to work with/for than many guys.

You make a good point though, if you want to be treated equally don't be offended when you are treated equally. :) Guys generally don't/can't make excuses. You just have to get the job done. Women have to do the same if they want to be promoted equally.
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Not sure if you've noticed this as well, but male friends of mine catch me doing this, as well as coworkers. I tend to pose tasks that I'd like to have done, in the form of a question. Not just at work, really anywhere. An example, ''Hey, Bob, can you email me your client list when you get a chance?'' Instead of ''Please send me your client list when you get a chance.''

I do this a lot and it really would take a lot to break free from it, I think. Even at the grocery store if I'm ordering fish or something that requires assistance - ''Can I have that slice right there (pointing to it) , of salmon?'' lol

Most of the time I'm asking questions instead of simply making statements. This is a more common communication style for women, than men. Most of my thread topics are in the form of questions, too. Damn. :oops:
 
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