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So how can the head of state be changed if the politicians don't ask the referendum question?
It can't. But the people get to vote in politicians who will put the referendum questions they want put.
36 years since our politicians put the crown on their own head and no approval by the people via referendum!
No. The crown didn't change 36 years ago. The Queen remains Australia's Head of State.
Obviously those powers removed by the Australia Act 1986.
Which ones are you most concerned about?
But we don't get to choose our head of state and the Governor General is just a rubber stamp for our politicians!
We do get to choose our head of state. The Constitution says who the head of state is, and the people get to amend the constitution, via their popularly elected representatives.
Are you an expat?
Not at the moment. Why do you ask?
 
So how can the head of state be changed if the politicians don't ask the referendum question?
I'll ask

What do we loose if we decide via referendum to become a (whatever - personally I don't want a republic)

We loose Elizabeth II as Head of State and Rep here in Australia yes? Did Kerr act beyond his authority with his dismissal of Goff without checking with his boss Elizabeth II first who in all probability would have said "no you cannot let the silly politicians work it out"?

So back to loosing Elizabeth II and GG and now we are a (whatever)

What have the people gained? under (whatever) they did not have under Elizabeth II and GG who I would have considered to have only ceremonial powers like

Elizabeth II is coming to Oz, break out the best silverware and find a few photo op places she can visit duties

:)
 
Which ones are you most concerned about?

As I stated, removing the State Governors power to withhold or disallow legislation (i.e. veto) and their right to make independent judgements. These are checks and balances on the political process. Do you want an example of state political abuses directly due to the lack of checks and balances.
We do get to choose our head of state. The Constitution says who the head of state is, and the people get to amend the constitution, via their popularly elected representatives.

AND SINCE 1986 THE PEOPLE HAVE ONLY BEEN ASKED TWO TRIVIAL QUESTIONS RE THE PREAMBLE BUT ALL OF THE BLOODY PUBLIC ASSETS HAVE BEEN SOLD OFF, EVEN THE WATER.
Not at the moment. Why do you ask?

You appear to be out of touch, but then again you are just avoiding answering my questions with boondoggle.
 
I'll ask

What do we loose if we decide via referendum to become a (whatever - personally I don't want a republic)

We loose Elizabeth II as Head of State and Rep here in Australia yes? Did Kerr act beyond his authority with his dismissal of Goff without checking with his boss Elizabeth II first who in all probability would have said "no you cannot let the silly politicians work it out"?

So back to loosing Elizabeth II and GG and now we are a (whatever)

What have the people gained? under (whatever) they did not have under Elizabeth II and GG who I would have considered to have only ceremonial powers like

Elizabeth II is coming to Oz, break out the best silverware and find a few photo op places she can visit duties

:)

I don't expect a referendum soon. I suppose the politicians will wait for QEII to pass and then will cook up another Constitutional Convention that will deliver their preferred option or kick the can along the road another 36 years.

That was another thing we lost in the Australia act 1986, as subjects of the ruling monarch we no longer have the opportunity to appeal to the court of our monarch.

Our state and federal politicians have been off their leash since 1986 and they don't want checks and balances to hinder their activities.

I'd actually prefer the pre 1986 setup to what we have now (kleptocracy or mediocrity?).
 
opportunity to appeal to the court of our monarch.
I was unaware that option was still around in 1986

But what do we have currently that would be lost is we, just as an example became a republic, (personally I don't fancy becoming a republic - to many republics at the moment give being a republic a bad name :) )

Somehow need to have the job of being a politician taught. Taught as being the head of a large household

The money coming in to politicians (taxes) are the household budget and you need to manage said input equally across the assets of the country (yes you mentioned water being sold off - disgraceful)

Other assets have been sold off into private hands

All Government would be left with would be Army Navy Airforce and Secret Service Overseas diplomats at country level and at local level Police Fire Ambulance Prisons (the grubby stuff)

:)
 
LaurieAG:

As I stated, removing the State Governors power to withhold or disallow legislation (i.e. veto) and their right to make independent judgements. These are checks and balances on the political process.
Are they, though? Weren't you complaining just a few posts ago about individuals holding all the power? But now you're telling us that you want certain individuals to have a lot of power. Specifically, you want State Governors to have veto powers that they don't currently have. That is, you want to remove some legislative power from state parliaments, which have representatives of the people, and place it in the hands of a few unelected individuals. Or do you want direct election of Governors, too? An American-style system in which legislative and executive powers are separate, perhaps?

You're not being very clear on what your proposed power-sharing model would be.
Do you want an example of state political abuses directly due to the lack of checks and balances.
Yes please. Along with your suggested solution to the problem.
AND SINCE 1986 THE PEOPLE HAVE ONLY BEEN ASKED TWO TRIVIAL QUESTIONS RE THE PREAMBLE BUT ALL OF THE BLOODY PUBLIC ASSETS HAVE BEEN SOLD OFF, EVEN THE WATER.
Is sale of the public assets a constitutional matter? What would you like to put in place to prevent sale of public assets? Should such sale ever be allowed? If so, under what conditions?
You appear to be out of touch, but then again you are just avoiding answering my questions with boondoggle.
To me, you appear not to have a particular proposal to push. Instead, you just seem to have some vague complaints that you want to blame on the Australia Acts, for some reason. You probably should decide what you want to happen, in an ideal world. Then you could suggest concrete steps to progress towards your goal.
I don't expect a referendum soon. I suppose the politicians will wait for QEII to pass and then will cook up another Constitutional Convention that will deliver their preferred option or kick the can along the road another 36 years.
You could try voting for politicians who will put your proposal to referendum. Or run for Parliament yourself.
That was another thing we lost in the Australia act 1986, as subjects of the ruling monarch we no longer have the opportunity to appeal to the court of our monarch.
You want to reinstate appeals to the British Privy Council, making the Australian High Court no longer the highest court in Australia? You want British judges to decide on Australian matters of law? Why?
Our state and federal politicians have been off their leash since 1986 and they don't want checks and balances to hinder their activities.
You still haven't explained what changed in 1986 to let them all off the leash. How, prior to the Australia Acts, were they on a leash?
I'd actually prefer the pre 1986 setup to what we have now (kleptocracy or mediocrity?).
I'm getting that, loud and clear. I'm just now sure why you think that something pivotal happened in 1986. Were politicians less mediocre prior to 1986? Did I miss a Golden Age of Australian Politics? (I was alive before 1986.)
 
Yes please. Along with your suggested solution to the problem.

In the early 2000's the state legislative assembly of Queensland, there is no senate it was abolished, modified the state constitution to add a clause from the UK Imperial Bill of rights 1688 which made it impossible to impeach a sitting Queensland MP outside of state parliament. They then introduced a state law to prevent any sitting MP from being impeached inside the state parliament.

If you don't understand what this meant, and how the Australia Act 1986 aided and abetted these ends, I cannot help you as you seem to fail to understand what political checks and balances are.
 
LaurieAG:

I'm not very familiar with the state Constitution of Queensland.

Are you telling me that's there's no way a Queensland state MP can legally be removed from office, for example for gross misconduct? (Is this what you mean by "impeach"?) Obviously, they can still be voted out, but surely there must be other mechanisms in place (?)
 
There was a state law in Queensland that was repealed after Labor politician Gordon Nuttall left state parliament in September 2006. This law prevented Gordon Nuttall from being prosecuted for lying to parliament.

https://www.ccc.qld.gov.au/corruption/outcome/investigation-former-minister-gordon-nuttall

Lying to Parliament

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/should-lying-in-parliament-be-a-crime/

Dismiss - bar them and family from holding any public office

:)
 
Dismiss - bar them and family from holding any public office

:)

This is how the political weasels sidestepped criminal charges in parliament back then, excerpts from the Introduction and end of the Crime and Misconduct Commission report.
If a minister were to knowingly give false answers while appearing before an estimates committee, such conduct would amount to an offence against section 57 of the Criminal Code. The false answer must be to a question that was both lawful and relevant to the examination. Equally, such conduct would support a finding that the minister committed contempt of parliament (within the meaning of section 37 of the Parliament of Queensland Act 2001).
...
In light of the above evidence, the Commission has decided that prosecution proceedings within the meaning of section 49(1) of the Crime and Misconduct Act 2001 should be considered. For that purpose it has resolved to deliver this report to the Attorney-General so that the Attorney can take it to parliament to obtain direction as to the course
parliament wishes to follow - i.e. whether proceedings should be instituted against the minister and, if so, whether they should be by way of prosecution under section 57 of the Criminal Code or by proceedings in parliament for a contempt of parliament.

From your link, I got it arse about.
The laws in Queensland were resurrected in 2012, after having previously been repealed by the then Labor government in 2006. Under these laws it is a criminal offence to lie to Queensland’s parliament or one of its committees, as well as to create a disturbance while parliament is sitting or to refuse to give evidence to a parliamentary committee. The laws apply to the public as well as politicians and the penalty includes up to seven years in prison. The laws were reinstituted as a way to help improve the Queensland parliament’s reputation.

There are still other moral issues that came about as a result of the lack of checks and balances arising due to the Queensland parliament no longer having an upper house and a State governor who is legally bound to follow the direction of the State Premier under the Australia act 1986.

I was 16 when they lowered the age of consent from 18 to 16 years in Queensland. While the age of consent in Queensland has not been lowered any further any child aged between 12 and 16 must prove that consent was not given for rape to be charged!
 
I was 16 when they lowered the age of consent from 18 to 16 years in Queensland. While the age of consent in Queensland has not been lowered any further any child aged between 12 and 16 must prove that consent was not given for rape to be charged!

While most European countries set 16-17 as the age of consent, several others, including Malta and Vatican City, require young people to be at least 18 before legally having sex. Europe's lowest age of consent is 14, which applies in countries including Austria, Italy, Serbia, Germany, and Portugal.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/age-of-consent-by-country

Decided to check Age of Consent as I was under impression Vatican City was 14 (I'm sure it was)

But is now 18

Did not know other countries were 14 and still are????

:)
 
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