Big White A Hole

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by RainbowSingularity, Mar 29, 2018.

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do you think there is white holes anywhere

  1. yes and we just cant find them yet

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  2. no entropy says no

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  3. no the science is all wrong & i dont believe in black holes or white holes

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  1. goose Registered Senior Member

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    How would this work in terms of our known laws?
    Just thinking out loud here, but if our black hole here links to a white hole, sounds a bit like losing matter in this universe and gaining matter in that universe.
    Sure, I guess that could still be within the law as the law could encompass everything cumulatively.

    If time were to stop when hitting the center of the black hole, how could the mass continue to go out the other side? I'm not too big of a fan of the white hole theory, I feel it begs more questions than it answers (granted i'm not too well versed on the subject to be honest).

    Anyone in the know, I have a few questions.
    1. Are they required to exist? don't care about odds of them existing
    2. A black hole is essentially a bottomless well of gravity and warped space-time. I know we are obsessed with a beginning and end since pretty much everything in our universe exists in this way in some form or another... but does it have to?
    3. if a white hole is repulsion, why would it be white (read further please)? Gravity itself warps space which is what bends light. Picture the well with its infinite depth. The opposite of that is a mountain with infinite height with curved space-time. Wouldn't light also need to bend around this? if a photon went on the center-line to it, it would never reach the top and would be gone. Granted, I guess you would say light coming from the white hole would run down the side of the mountain and expand everywhere in every direction, so I guess I answered this one

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    ... still an interesting thought though.
    4. What would occur is a black hole and a white hole collided?
     
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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar
    ... and thus; we have the beginning of the known universe.. the Big White A hole... (does the big bang equate to a white hole?)
    awesome question.
    interestingly... energy can niether be destroyed or created ? does this postulate an essence of eternity ?
    white being the version of matter opposed to dark matter.
    black holes suck in light thus are black
    white holes if real would generate light thus white... im sure there are other potential things being sucked in and/or pushed out...
    is gravity sucked in and pushed out ? (hhmmm?weird thought)

    for argument sake ... does a quasar (edited) "Emit" a gravitational force or does it simply "contain/manifest in of its self" gravity ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar
     
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  5. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

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    A gravitational force is what makes the emissions of a quasar. Matter headed toward the poles of a black hole in the middle of a quasar begin to "shear" and are emitted away from the central point in the form of pure "plasma" or excited hydrogen...
     
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  7. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

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    Say a black hole converges to a singularity. The math goes from infinite degrees to one. The photon sphere ( closest "shell" to a black hole) is no longer held in place by gravity. All particles uniformly eminate outwards, thus we have what would be indestinguihable from cosmic background radiation. A subtle wave.

    The larger question in my kind would be what causes a black hole to collapse?

    An equivalent mass of pure bosonic force is the only thing i surmise could create a gap large enough.

    Consider black holes to be made of "matter", which can be both fissable and fusionable. Where as light and bosons are forces which provide the abilities of matter...
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    so a black hole is kinda a plasma hole ?

    i was under the impresion quasars emitted radiation of some type which is fairly lethal to all known forms of life and if it hit an inhabited world it would kill everything within a few seconds ?

    im not up to speed on the sheer thing or how the poles exist in the black hole with the quasar sitting there.
    is the quasar kinda like a lens ?
     
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    ok im going to think on that for a bit.
    is there some statistical model that suggests the expected number of black holes ?(aside from the supposed observable centre massive black holes in the middle of each galaxy etc...)
    is there a missing quantity of black holes, or an over abundence, or is it purely random at the point of a super nova ? (bare with me im not that well read)
     
  10. goose Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe... I guess we could say the "repulsion" that is making our universe expand (Dark Energy) is the result of a white hole. This actually makes a decent amount of sense.
    **Not really repulsion but a "force" or 'pushing' energy that causes expansion... 2 sides of a math equation


    I would say that depends on time. In an infinite sliver of time, does energy actually exist, or does a flow of time require it to exist? If the latter, as space-time stretches, it is possible that time itself stretches and essentially slows down (which we would never know as we slow down with it being in our own universe)... this would put a limit of time on our universe... one that we can never actually reach, but can only get closer and closer to. Would this still be considered eternity?

    with the comparison to the big bang possibly being the result of a white hole (I know popular theories are about about every black hole containing its own universe, AKA result of a white hole on the other side at creation)... then why would the lifetime of a black hole be much greater than a white hole or visa versa? (not sure which is being claimed, so 2 outcomes shown below)
    **I had a point here, but it didn't make sense. Only can think of a situation where WH Time > BH Time. See below.
    **If we are a white hole, then the life-time is that of our universe. A black hole will die due to its emission of radiation, would that mean that our universe has it's days numbered? If not, why would a 'white hole' last longer than a 'black hole'?

    ****Side-note... this doesn't take into account that our universe is actually shrinking... it was always the same size, but everything in it just gets smaller... to us, it is expansion, to an outside observer, maybe not. Fun to think about.

    I'll answer that once we finally know what exactly gravity is

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  11. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    No such animal
    See above
    See both of the above
    it is possible - in the imagination YES - in reality NO

    quasar
    ˈkweɪzɑː,ˈkweɪsɑː/
    noun
    ASTRONOMY
    1. a massive and extremely remote celestial object, emitting exceptionally large amounts of energy, which typically has a starlike image in a telescope. It has been suggested that quasars contain massive black holes and may represent a stage in the evolution of some galaxies.
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    I'm with you on that. Unfortunately we seem to have here a flutterby bouncing ball. I might drop out for a while

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  12. Beaconator Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not sure of the number of black holes, but a supernova is not random. Possibly randomly observed yet the cause is a star fusing all the available energy into iron. The result is an explosion which synthesizes the heavier fissable elements.
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    precisely.
    in theory(newtonian?) surely there should be a point of origin for the force being emitted ?... err-go(pondering another comment by a member(you noted below in next quote?) about the universe being a post bang entropic process) are we entropically linked to the big bang ?
    if not, which is what some suggest refering to the constant increase in speed(?)/expansion(?) ... "special/exotic particles" ?/ mattter being created(arriving) in this universe driven from another ? aka unified field theory resolved ?

    ... can a random number generate an infinite value ?
    err-go ... postulation... physically bound to our entropic nature of neuralogical process can we conceptualise that which is non entropic ?
    pondering any examples and radiant-energy-use of the likes of tesla, makes me wonder yet surely it can not go past the field of the big bang for its manifestation in what ever microscopic measurement might be possible... ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_motion_(relativity)

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    the potential measurement of angles that illicit a quantatative state being infinite yet infinitely small ... maybe does not detract from exotic particles ?

    excellent point for consideration
    not meant in any way a slight, more so a posit of thought experiment for comparative thinking...
    ponder that we are the ant standing on the globe claiming all things are flat
    orbital influences become straight lines of unknown energy
    would a boson care if we obsessed on white or dark matter ?

    exceptionally poignant question

    ponders if we will discover a "gravity" particle...(very particulate thinking)
     

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