Black Holes .

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by river, Aug 11, 2019.

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  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    James R asked you this before, and I'm going to request you answer it too:

    What do you mean by "based on"?

    It's based on science. Our knowledge of how nature works.

    What is it you're really trying to ask?
     
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  3. river

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    Ah.. so black-holes came before BB .
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No.
     
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  7. river

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    In order for the singularity to have any truth to it , what physical form did the singularity have before it formed ?
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You just asked "what form did something take before it was formed?" That is an illogical question.
     
  9. river

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    No I asked ; my above question .

    Mathematically of course .

    But for those who think of the Universe as a physical thing , it is not illogical at all .
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Something that has not formed yet has no physical form. So the question is meaningless.

    If you want to understand how a black hole - and its singularity - forms, read this previous post.
     
  11. river

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    Disagree

    A singularity has a fundamental form based on something that is physical .

    As I said before , all energy and matter forms have always existed .
     
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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Do yourself a favor and don't form opinions on things you don't know anything about. Stick to asking questions.

    And - again - if you're interested in science, maybe put down that book on UFOs and pick up a book on basic science. At the very least, it will give you a vocabulary with which you can ask questions that make sense.

    If you want to know how a black hole forms, and the nature of the singularity, read post 241 at the top of page 13.
     
  13. river

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    I did .

    Gravity based theory . Gravity is the weakest of all forces .

    And you ignore what this singularity is based on .
     
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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The strong nuclear force can only hold two subatomic particles together across subatomic distances.
    Gravity can hold a planet massing 2 thousand trillion trillion kg in orbit at a distance of a half billion miles.
    Tell me again how gravity is so weak.


    You have been told what it is and how it forms. If you don't understand what you've been told, that's on you.
     
  15. river

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    No I haven't That's on you .
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing is on me. I am here of my own choosing and owe nothing. But I'm happy to answer questions of the inquisitive.

    What is it about the explanation in post 241 that loses you?
     
  17. river

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    Nothing .

    Now explain upon what form of matter is the singularity is based on .

    Because so far you haven't . Nor has anybody else for that matter . ( no pun intended ) .
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So you understand this then:

    "When we talk about the singularity, all it means is this: we don't know what matter looks like when its crushed smaller than an atom. We don't have the physics to describe it yet. That's all it means."

     
  19. river

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    Yes

    That's why BH makes no sense .

    Not only are you crushing the atom into a smaller space , but also the magnetic field .

    Both of which have limits based on space needed to exist. The less space the more intense the push back . Three dimensionally .
     
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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Nature does not care if it makes no sense to you.

    So you think they are infinitely rigid?
     
  21. river

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    Yes ( referring to my post #276 )

    Because both wave and particle are the essence of all physical things .
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So what?
    Matter is not infinitely rigid.
    It can be broken apart - and it can be crushed with sufficient pressure.
     
  23. river

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    If that were to happen then the wave would cease to manifest .

    Because the wave would never be more than a wave . Because it would never have anything on which to focus its energy . To gather . So to speak . The wave would be a wave for infinity .
     
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