Buddhist Master's Remains: Heart-shaped Crystals

Well, it seems a speculation of "mine" that "I" have been going on and on about has been validated. (First let me add that "I" isn't "me", but what word do I use, my higher self?) The validation is to be found on this link:

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/living/religion/7317197.htm

In part it says:

"Unlike most religious relics, typically pieces of saints' bones, the remains of great Buddhist teachers include tiny pearl-like objects known as ringsel. These crystalline beads are said to be formed when a Buddhist master is cremated. It is said that the beads settle into the shape of a heart, conch, flower or other object. Buddhists believe that the presence of ringsel proves the teacher achieved spiritual purity and that those who view the ringsel can be spiritually transformed."

Part of my theory (and it is not "mine" but was given to me through meditation) was that adrenalin as well as other chemical discharges that occur when one is in a high-charged, emotional state leave residues or tiny crystals. These crystals attach themselves to the soul which itself is a crystal. These "seeds" or "crystalline structures" are what is referred to as "karma". These karmic seeds are what pull situations and people to us over and over again. The more we react to the situation, the more karma we create until we learn the secret of keeping emotions under control and making our karma dormant.

This structure that is formed is interesting. For "I" also said by way of explaining this theory, that the heart is the way to true intelligence. This true center must be found and entered into to. In this way, the soul (which is a crystal) may pull to her what arrangement completes her. This next quote is from "The Theoretical Mathematics of the Pythagoreans":

"The mathematical productive principles therefore, which give completion to the soul, are essential, and self-motive; and the reasoning power exerting and evolving these, gives subsistence to all the variety of the mathematical sciences. Nor will she ever cease perpetually generating and discovering one science after another, in consequence of expanding the impartible forms which she contains. For she antecedently received all things causally; and she will call forth into energy all-various theorems, according to her own infinite power, from the principles which she perviously received."

"I" then surmised that if the soul was a crystal it would grow like all crystals and in the following manner:

"GROWTH PATTERNS

All crystal growth patterns are ordered. No one knows how the crystals can come together and make the formation. Crystals grow from the outside, unlike that of a human being. Particles are attracted to the seed of the formation and then build on up in an orderly pattern. "The only way for a crystal to grow is for the right kind of atoms or molecules to reach its surfaces and fit themselves into the same pattern of order the tiny "seed" crystal has." Time and freedom are needed for the molecules to make perfect crystals. Crystals can form from a solid, liquid, or gas."

In terms of emotions forming karmic seeds we have this:

"FORMATIONS

All crystals have a definite shape. For crystals to form, they need time and freedom. Sometimes an atom that doesn't match that of all the other atoms while forming a crystal gets mixed in with them. This is called a stowaway atom. It could be of a different color, or size. Some gems are different colors because their molecules are different colors. Crystal formations are formed by solutions. A crystal increases size by adding atoms to its surfaces. They can also be formed by hot molten lava. The lava cools, and crystals start to form. That is why when the lava cools we get rocks. You may not think about it, but rocks are crystals too."

Note how you have to "heat up" and then cool down. Isn't that what we do when we lose our tempers? In Kundalini, we purposefully heat up and cool down, but WITH NO EMOTION. Does this make these seeds dormant? That is what is taught.

So I suppose the question is whether this "ringsel" or heart-shaped crystal is the shape that our soul pulls forth to complete itself so that we may obtain release?

It is a beautiful notion and well worth contemplation.

Sat Nam!

 

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I don't go along with your idea of soul as crystal, and I don't know anything about their appearance after cremations, but your description of crystal growth leaves out an interesting fact.

Quasi-crystals sometimes grow by the repetition of patterns that cannot be formed simply by the addition of new atoms at the boundary. Nobody knows how this happens. Quantum non-locailty has been suggested as a mechanism, but that's only a guess. I understand that it's something of a scientific mystery.

 

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...just like my favorite cover band- Crystal Shit.

 

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Dear Canute:

If it's something of a scientific mystery, how can you be so sure?



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I came across it as explained by Roger Penrose in relation to algorithmic tiling processes. That's as near to the 'horse's mouth' as I can get, but otherwise I don't know much about it.

 

Dear Canute:

I suppose I was asking more in relation to your disagreeing that souls might be crystals.

The Penrose concept is an elaboration upon the basic mechanism. Whether more intricate patterns are formed at the boundary is of course something else that needs to be understood. But whether the soul or the karmic seeds are changed and whether this is the residue that is left behind by these Buddhist masters is something else again.


And, of course, the inclusion of one's favorite cover bands into a conversation is always a very pertinent addendum.

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You don't have the slightest bit of evidence for your theory. That is one major problem.

Also, like Canute said, how do you know the soul is a crystal, or that it even exists? What does it mean to say that the soul is a crystal? Do you even understand what a crystal is?

 

Where are they playing? The Sand Bar?

 

I could accept the possibilty that these crystals may be a sign of advanced consciousness, although I have some trouble believing it. But I can't accept the possibility that the soul, whatever you mean by that, IS a material object. I would have thought that logic ruled that out.

 

You both have excellent points and ask excellent questions. And the truth is, how the heck would I know?

To begin with, I understand the "definition" of what a crystal is. In terms of "understanding" what a crystal is, no one "understands" what a crystal is because they do not fully "understand" how it develops. It is curious to note that in alchemy, the very first thing they tell you to do is learn all about the growth of crystals. This may or may not have anything to do with the subject at hand, but it is a curious coincidence.

In terms of evidence for "my" theory, you are correct and I have none. Zippo. Zilch. Nada. You notice, however, I am not publishing it in The New England Journal of Medicine for there is no proof that a soul exists either. There is no proof God exists. There is no proof, at this point at least, that YOU exist except that I have received a post from you, but then anyone could have done that. You see the difficulty one encounters in asking for proof. Nonetheless, I see it as a valid point.

Now as to whether logic rules out whether the soul is indeed a crystal, I am not so sure. Logic has ruled out that there is a soul so if one accepts there is a soul, then further one would have to accept that it must be made of something. For the soul is the causal body according to the Greeks. Further, the chakras are broken into the divisions of colors in the same order as light passing through a crystal. It would seem if we accept that the chakra colors are correct, then we must look to see where in our body that a crystal is located in order for the outside light to be so ordered. So there is that very subtle clue. There are also different stages or states of matter. So a crystal can be liquid in nature. Note the definition for a liquid crystal:

"A type of display used on digital watches, calculators, and laptop computers. LCDs are lighter and consume much less power than other computer displays. Liquid crystals are rod-shaped molecules which spiral when they are exposed to an electrical charge. Polarized light passing through the layer of liquid crystal cells is twisted along the spiral path of the molecules. The light then passes through a series of filters which block light vibrating at certain angles and allow light vibrating at other angles to pass through; thus the color of each pixel can be controlled."

Is this not what happens in the body? Is DNA itself not in a spiral formation? Of course, this again is not proof, but we cannot discount it for it does not go counter to what we are setting out to prove. Then, of course, there is the even more subtle gaseous state.

The reason for my posting this in the first place is that this is the first "proof" I have come across in terms of crystals somehow being attached to a higher consciousness. Now this story is itself unproven as it could be bogus. So I am more posting it as an offering or feeler for others than to PROVE myself correct or my theory correct. I hope I have made this clear.

Since you seem to be very intelligent people, I would like to get a read on what you think these crystals are? Do you think it is a hoax being perpetrated? Or do you think that something actually goes on inside the body when one is enlightened?

I am curious and not in the least offended that you are being skeptical and that the theory is being challenged. I would do much the same. It just means you are intellectually alive and active.

Thank you for your astute observations.

I look forward to your comments.



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I'm afraid I don't know anything about these after-death crystals. In Buddhism nearly everything is said metaphorically so beware that they are not just another metaphor.

Certainly no Buddhist would ever suggest that these crystals are souls or consciousness. They cannot be this ex hypothesis.

Still, that doesn't seem to necessarily mean that crystalline growth and structure is not connected in some way with soul or consciousness, either metaphorically or physically.

 

Dear Canute:

Obviously whether any Buddhist would say that these crystals are souls is neither here nor there as far as the truth is concerned. It would be equivalent to saying that every single Christian knew the mysteries of Christ if there were mysteries.

As I've said in previous posts, I am not a Buddhist and rely heavily on yogic texts. They seem to be more "scientifically" based, but "scientific" is that strange word especially as regards the terminology that is used by yogis like, "lifetrons" for instance. I don't know whether scientists would agree with the concept presented by the yogis of these "lifetrons" as science. I do.

But thank you for your response. It is an interesting subject.



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Ummm... I thought that they called it a "liquid crystal" because it was a liquid replacement for the analog watch face, which was also referred to as a crystal.

DNA is definitely not a crystal, if anything isn't. Under most circumstances it's not recognizable as the double helix, being more of a lumpy mess; it only becomes coherent at certain times during the cell cycle.

Liquid crystals create dark areas through light polarization, so that's not quite as complicated as the source of human agency.

Other than the chakras thing, is there any direct speculation as to why the soul would be a crystal?

 

That's an odd thing to say. I agree you shouldn't take their word on anything, but that goes for everyone. But it can't be right to say they what they say is neither here nor there. Not unless you know they're wrong anyway.

Well, there's the thing, it is exactly equivalent to this. Buddhists find their own truths as individuals, they don't just obediently follow a doctrine, they just happen to agree on the truth.

Yoga, as I understand it, does focus more on physical aspects of reality and does seem more 'scientific' because of it. However the underlying and ultimate metaphysic is no different to that espoused by Buddhists as far as I know.

It sure is.

 

Man, you were thinking of all that during meditation?

Anyway,
If these substances that make karma crystals (giggle) are formed by emotions, wouldn't a master have no crystals at all???

 

Buddhist masters do not have no emotions.

 

Yes, during meditation and when I came out of it....POW! Sometimes I get things upon awaking in the morning also. I'm absolutely sure no one cares about this, but I thought I would answer your question.

In terms of your other comments, they are similar. I suppose great minds think alike?

In any event, Masters would HAVE to have had karmic residue from PAST lives. This is what determines what life, body, etc. we are attracted to. This is what pulls situations to us that we seemingly have NO control over. The more we FIGHT the situation, the worse it becomes. I mean "FIGHT" in the sense of getting overly emotional. If we fight it calmly and rationally and "OVERCOME" the problem, we can make the karmic seed dormant and not likely to bother us again. Of course, we can make those karmic seeds dormant and then screw everything up by getting overly emotional. That would create more active karma for us to make dormant. I'm sure when you get to that stage, you would NOT do this. Also they MUST have souls and according to "ME" (a majority of one?) souls are crystals. Everyone that is born has a soul that encases their fiery spirit.

Am I explaining this clearly? I hope so.

So these "crystals" would be purified, dormant karma and the soul. You see, if he was REALLY a Master (and I'm assuming he was), then he wouldn't be needing the soul anymore as he would NOT be coming back to this dreadful place anymore. No more births and deaths for him!

Let me know if I've made any sense at all. My brain seems to be on Holiday!

Sat Nam!

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Do Buddhist masters post to the internet?

 

MU!

Eheh, sorry.

 

Nemesis

I respect your opinion, you may be right, but let's just make it very clear that this is not what Buddhist believe.