Can former atheists explain what atheism is?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Jan Ardena, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You saying that I’m trying to insult you, kind of gives your game away. No one has to try and be insulting.
    I am not insulting you though. You are rude, and you lie profusely.

    Jan.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Why did God create humans who cannot live without the help of the Human virome?

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    Note; ratio of bacterial genes to human genes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_virome

    Why should a God create a human who is dependent on bacteria for ability to live at all.
    https://www.livescience.com/32761-good-bacteria-boost-immune-system.html

    Strange, that god created humans which are unable to exist without the help of bacteria. I consider that an ironic twist to the story of Human creation.

    After He created Adam, God noticed that He would have to create a bunch of bacteria to keep Adam alive.
    I can hear Him now; "crap, now what do I have to do to make this human functional, he can't even digest his own food"? Normally a mother's breast milk provides a host of bacterial benefits to a baby's internal biome. Without mother's milk someone has to create all those little critters. Wasn't any Pablum around at that time.

    Is this what the bible considers the "dust" from which God fashioned Adam? Sure, these guys who told the story knew exactly what they were talking about first hand, even if there was no other human around to observe any of it.

    I find it odd that scripture does not explain any of these little details. Seems rather important to me. Perhaps the biblical story tellers were not scientists?

    Someone refresh my memory; who was witness to all of this?
     
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  5. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    It's clear you won't ask the honest questions and therefore must maintain your false fabricated narrative/monologe of me. Why are you even asking if you have decided what the answer is going to be? Questions posed to you are not loaded, Jan, at least none that I've offered, so why are not responding in kind?

    Will you ask the questions that we both know are the honest one?
     
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  7. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    I have already explained that to you. Your question is loaded, you have already answered it based on a false narrative. I even provided a simple, honest, unloaded question based entirely on what you said.
     
  8. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    Jan takes the bus but wants to buy a car, he asks the dealer for evidence the car has safety features so that his risk of getting killed in an accident is decreased. The dealer shows Jan seatbelts, air bags and activated sensors. Jan then asks the dealer for evidence the car is good on gas mileage. The dealer shows Jan the statistics of fuel consumption for this type of motor for city and highway driving and allows Jan to take a long test drive so Jan himself can calculate it. Jan loves to race others from the stoplight, so he asks the dealer for evidence the car is powerful. The dealer takes Jan for a drive to a secluded location and hits the gas from a cold start to 60mph.

    Jan has now seen for himself the evidence he has demanded and is satisfied the car he wants exists. The fact that he as always taken the bus does not affect his ability and capacity to acknowledge and recognize the car he wants to buy does in fact exist.
     
  9. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree.
    Can you explain why you think so?

    Jan.
     
  10. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    How many more times would you like me to explaing it to you? And, why is it a problem to use the simple, unloaded honest question that came from your original loaded, dishonest question? Are you actually telling me that you simply can't be honest about asking honest questions?
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    A perfect Jan post.
     
  12. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Just one time would be good enough.
    All you have said is that the question is loaded, and therefore dishonest. But that doesn’t explain why you think it is loaded and dishonest.

    You accept nothing about the theistic explanation of God. You think that God being a purely spiritual being, transcendental to the His material creation, is vague.
    IOW, you are attempting to cut of all theistic explanations by blatantly disregarding what God is, and still ask for evidence.

    So my question appeals to the atheist, for whom there is no God, to explain what it is he expects to be satisfactory evidence, in order to accept God.

    What’s wrong with that?

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  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You are rude, and you lie about being a theist.

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  14. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    What I placed in bold from just that one post demonstrates why your question is loaded. You have already decided the answer and have already placed the words in my mouth. This is dishonest if you are actually trying to ask a question.

    So, I ask, again, will you ask unloaded, dishonest questions or not?
     
  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Look at post 164.
    You totally dismissed my response to another theist.
    There is nothing that any theist is going to say, about God, that you are going to accept.
    The reason is because you are an atheist. It doesn’t matter whether or not you comprehend what is being said. It therefore cannot matter if the truth is being spoken, because all you are going to do, all that your worldview demands of you, is to deny and reject God.

    You can’t even answer a simple question, because you know your position makes no sense. All you do is deny, deny, deny, and reject.

    You have already answered the question by dodging, and making false accusations.

    Jan
     
  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Are you talking to yourself?
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.
    I’m talking to Goldtop.

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    Jan.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Effectively. He's certainly not replying to what people post.
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No one cares.
    Goldtop, please don't. He is not an honest debater. It's like casting "pearls before swine".

    He will manage to soil every word of truth that is spoken on this topic. He's is not an atheist and cannot be trusted to know anything about what it is to be atheist.

    Interestingly Jan's false arguments are "legion".

    Jan are you a "former atheist"? When did you become converted by the "divine puppet master "?
    Can explain to this atheist why you think you need this crutch?
     
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  20. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree.

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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I don't care.
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah you do!

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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    About as much as stepping in a pile of sh..t .......

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