Cancer Is Man Made

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by jmpet, Oct 28, 2010.

  1. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Everybody already knows family history is a risk factor for cancer.

    However, saying "lifestyle does not come into it" is woefully ignorant. If you believe such thinking is mainstream in the UK, then you are out of touch.
     
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  3. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    • Tobacco
    • Sunbathing
    • Manufactured foods containing trans-fatty acids
    Just for starters.
     
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  5. Red Devil Born Again Athiest Registered Senior Member

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    oh yes agree. But I do not think cancer is caused as much as inheritted. And yes, we can create it ourselves. Sometimes inadvertently, like in so called bio engineering, or 'playing god'.
     
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  7. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    If that's just a hunch, then you're welcome to it. But since you've now said it twice, it's starting to look more like an assertion. If this is the case, I hereby challenge it; peer review is one of the cornerstones of the scientific method, which is the way we search for the truth.

    Please provide some of the evidence that causes you to believe this is true, rather than just speculating about it. This is not an academy so a quote from a scientific article will do, I'm not looking for original research.
     
  8. Red Devil Born Again Athiest Registered Senior Member

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    Not so much a hunch, but an educated guess. And arrived at from what I have seen on discovery tv, news etc. As I am not a medical expert by any stretch of the imagination, I bow to superior knowledge.
     
  9. JuNie Registered Senior Member

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    It's not that Cancer is Man Made...its that Man IS Cancer. A cancerous tumor on the face of the earth. With the exception of a few individuals.
     
  10. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    There is nothing wrong with fruit and raw egg yolk as part of a balanced diet. Nor have I said there is. That is just your misreading. The problem is with the idea that we should limit our intake, by cutting out vegetables and other sources of animal protein.

    Good healthy eating requires the maximum variety. Raw egg yolk and raw fish are fine as part of the animal protein requirement, but only part. We should be eating cooked red meat, cooked poultry (raw poultry is often contaminated with parasites), and dairy products (preferably limited to low fat products). Red meat is the best source of dietary iron, zinc and vitamin B12. Dairy products are the best source of calcium.

    Fruit is only part of the story for other nutrients. Green vegetables like brassicas, and leafy green vegetables like spinach, along with as big a variety of other vegetables are of major benefit in maximising health. Starch foods with lots of fibre, like wholemeal bread, brown rice, and oatmeal are also of major benefit. A variety of nuts, and polyunsaturated fats like olive oil are also of benefit.

    The idea of limiting your diet is just stupid. Variety is one of the major keys to healthy nutrition.

    The title of this thread is 'cancer is man-made". That is also a stupid idea. Cancer has been around ever since the first vertebrates evolved, and it is totally natural. The major causes of cancer in humans are also natural, such as various smokes, tobacco leaf, sunlight etc.

    Most of the radiation we experience is also natural, and harmless. Radioactive radon gas seeps from natural granite rock, and the granite itself contains up to 20 parts per million of uranium. Our own bodies contain about one part per million of uranium. Living in the mountains actually increases the amount of radioactivity people are subject to, but to a degree that is harmless.

    When discussions on the cause of cancer are begun, there are always heaps of people who spout a load of garbage about pollution and industrial chemicals etc. While it is true that some of these are carcinogenic, they form a relatively tiny part of the cancer causing attack the human body is subject to.
     
  11. Red Devil Born Again Athiest Registered Senior Member

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    whilst I agree with you completely, we digress from the main topic. I look at nature and see no room for mankind.
     
  12. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    That's why we have been transcending nature for several million years. Our ancestral species transcended external nature by turning rocks into tools, and transcended our internal nature by using those flint blades to turn ourselves from herbivores into scavengers (scraping off the meat left on the bones by the predators). This provided a higher-protein diet than nature gave us, allowing our brains to become bigger than nature made them. Bigger brains produced even better tools, and we soon became the only predatory ape, laughing in the face of nature. With all that extra protein our brains became so big that we now have the power to override instinctive behavior and do what's beneficial instead of what's natural.

    We tamed nature's scary old fire and made it a tool for cooking hitherto inedible grains, and then we tamed nature's plants and animals so we didn't have to chase them around, resulting in a food surplus that stingy old nature never gave us. This allowed us to build permanent homes instead of living out in nature's harsh environment.

    Finally we overcame our own nature, ceasing to be a pack-social species of small clans competing with each other for scarce resources, and becoming more herd-social, living in huge communities in which economies of scale and division of labor created an environment nature never dreamed of, with full-time professional teachers, explorers, musicians and artists.

    We made room for ourselves. Our full-time professional scholars have even figured out how nature works, and are constantly devising clever new ways to transcend it even further.
     
  13. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    Absolute rot!
    Humanity has a vital role as part of Mother Nature's plan.

    (If what I am about to say sounds a bit tongue in cheek, ignore it. Would I write anything not to be taken seriously? Neeeeverrr!)

    Anyway, humanity's role as part of nature's plan. We have a vital role to play. You need to remember how old the living world - Mother Gaea - actually is. She is 3 to 4 billion years old. Homo sapiens is only 200,000 years old. We are so new that it is clear that our true role has only just begun.

    So what is it that appears on the body after growth has almost reached its peak? Obviously, that is when puberty sets in, and the development of the reproductive system.

    Humanity is that reproductive system. Think about it. Mother Gaea has all the organs needed for life, but cannot (yet) reproduce. It is time for the change. Enter humanity.

    For Mother Gaea to reproduce, she has to transfer her genetic material to other worlds, and set up new, daughter worlds, with all her glorious life thriving upon those new worlds. This needs a mobile and intelligent life form to travel to other worlds, and then introduce life to those other worlds, transforming them into copies of our own dear Mother Gaea. Terraforming.

    Think about it. Even the means of travel to other worlds look sexual. Those phallic shaped rocket ships carrying seed to another planetary uterus.

    Of course, this has not happened yet, but on Gaea's time scale, hundreds or thousands of years are just an eye blink. Humanity has now left footprints on the moon, and will, within another 100 years, begin the first colony on Mars. There have already been international conferences on the Terraforming of Mars. It is only a matter of time.

    And within 500 to 1000 years, the first human ark ship will travel to Alpha Centauri. Over the next 100,000 years, humanity will terraform numerous worlds. At last, Mother Gaea gets to reproduce, scattering her seed by means of humanity's sperm ships.

    So the statement that we are a cancer is just so much rubbish. Gaea is passing through the change we call puberty. As she develops into new maturity, there are side effects. All that pollution, deforestation, and carbon emission is just planetary acne.
     
  14. MelissaF Registered Member

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    Hello,
    recommend everyone view a documentary called "The Beautiful Truth" or look into Dr. Gerson's Therapy. Individual medical practitioners are kind people that are concerned about our health. However, the system and the paradigm they were educated in is one that has been set up now for well over two hundred years and is more designed for profit, not healing. If you look at it's structure, the way it's designed for licensing, and drug approval, it's FIRST priority is to maximize profits of the entrenched powers, then to ensure safety, and lastly to promote cures, technical advancements, and efficiency.
    Regards,
    Ali.
     
  15. JuNie Registered Senior Member

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    Hahaha! I really enjoyed this post. And I agree! But when I look around at what people are doing to the planet and realize that we may kill ourselves before this has a chance to come to fruition I get really depressed.
     
  16. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    It's amazing to see a thread grow, twist and distort to a null point over non-important pet agendas.

    And I still believe that cancer has gone up- we are more at risk now than we were 200 years ago- don't "we don't have proper records" me- there's more cancer today than there was 30 years ago, 60 years ago etc.

    And I still believe playing the cancer game of exposing yourself to any of a host of carcinogens is like playing Russian Roulette. The intent of the OP was that cancer today is almost entirey a man made disease... if we all moved to Oregon, overall our cancer risks would go down- that's all I'm saying. Heck- just go by air quality of city vs country and you tell me which has more ambient carcinogens in it!
     
  17. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    Did you know one of the most carcinogenic things man has ever devised is the diesel school bus you put your kids on every morning?
     
  18. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    I have already recommended this viewing (post #4 and #5 links to a Harvard study). . . but people in these parts aren't usually interested in the paradigm of, "follow the money" to find out the truth. I am here, I stop by, every few days, pop into threads, here and there, just to say "hey" here's the truth. But they have a few good and enlightened folks doing the work. Most people would prefer to listen to the mainstream media, or prefer to believe what they were taught in government controlled schools, and endowment funded universities, without once questioning who profits from those arrangements. Like people who are indoctrinated in churches, temples, mosques, or synagogues, folks indoctrinated at university can be just as zealous. I tried to get through to them when we had the health care debate and was roundly ignored. Whatever.

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  19. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think the native Martians are going to like that much. Nor do I think the Alpha Centaurans will care for our advances on their turf much either. So your point is, we're not so much a cancer, as a virus?

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  20. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    I concur.
     
  21. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    Someone said show the money.

    This is a science forum, and I say, "show the data."
    You can make all the claims in the world about man made cancers, and cancers increasing compared to 200 years ago. Without data, those claims are just so much hot air.

    We know a couple of cancers that have increased, and we know why. Lung cancer has increased as more people smoke tobacco. Skin cancer is a function of how much sun exposure fair skinned people get. Other cancers are associated with AIDS. Overall, if we adjust for age, cancers are not growing apart from those few.

    The biggest problem is, and has been for a long time, smoking tobacco products. Not pollution, or industrial chemicals, or any other such claptrap. Just smoking.
    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2003/pr27/en/

    I quote :

    "Tobacco consumption remains the most important avoidable cancer risk. In the 20th century, approximately 100 million people died world-wide from tobacco-associated diseases (cancer, chronic lung disease, cardiovascular disease and stroke). Half of regular smokers are killed by the habit. One quarter of smokers will die prematurely during middle age (35 to 69 years)."

    Twice as many people died from tobacco in the 20th century as from World War II!
     
  22. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    I concur.
     
  23. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Gee, what about all of those osteosarcomas that paleontologists have found in fossilized dinosaur bones? Humans weren't even around back then.
     

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