catastrophization

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by sculptor, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The normal 11-year solar cycle cannot account for the global heating we are observing. Climate scientists are well aware of that effect.
     
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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    normal is a construct
    which of the following is "normal"? Is 14 normal? Is 19 normal? Is it normal to have more sunspots in the sun's northern or southern hemisphere?

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    look beyond your 11 year window
    and
    You will see that the sun is a variable dynamo...
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    This "there's no such thing as normal, so anything that happens is probably normal" argument is your worst to date.
     
  8. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Those are your words---NOT MINE....That is your argument---not mine.
    If you create a fiction in your imagination, that is your fiction, not mine-----should you choose to argue with that fiction, then you are invariably arguing with yourself.

    There is a discernible range of possibilities for this earth and it's climate.
    From ice at the mid latitudes(or slushball earth) to balmy conditions at the poles.
    Currently, we are in an interglacial within an ice age(the quaternary).
    In the last interglacial, it seems that Greenland was largely ice free and forested, and, at the end, the west antarctic ice sheet seems to have collapsed, with sea levels 6-8 meters above current.
    If you would look to the future, learn the past.
     
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    where is the data showing days without sun spots ?

    which year in modern history had the most days without sun spots ?
    2008 sub prime mortgage fraud global credit fraud global market collapse ... !
    thats when !

    im not dismissing solar science
    but counting sun spots and making a graph to mock Co2 graphing seems like a deliberate trolling of scientists while pretending to be a pro-science person.

    all under the guise of "catastrophisation"

    im sure porn on the world wide web makes a lot of big data, but people dont seem to quote it for trends and inferences of "reality " why is that ?
     
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Contributing factors
    not mocking anything----except seeking simple answers to complex questions.
    From 1600 to 1715 AD, very few sunspots were seen, and from 1645 to 1715, many years had no sunspots at all, despite the fact that many scientists with telescopes were actively looking for them. The longest known minimum (about 50 years) of virtually no sunspots occurred during the Maunder Minimum.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/maunder-minimum
    and the debate concerning whether or not we are headed into another grand minimum rages
    I do not know

    It was not just the maunder minimum

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    the wolf, sporer, and maunder all contributed to the lowering of earth's energy balance, culminating in the year without a summer and mass starvation, disease, and death.
     
  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

    well before cell phones cameras and news wires where an entire island could be blown up or disappear and an entire society of people wiped out and no one would know.

    look at the island of Atlantis
    the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
    where did that civilization disappear to ?
    gone...
    not a trace

     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    OK. So this change is NOT normal.

    Welcome to the catastrophists!
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    That graph conveniently stops at about 1950. What does it look like when you add the data from 1950 to the present?
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Any debate "rages"mostly around its role as a possible contributor to the effects of AGW - a far more significant and immediately serious matter.
    Already looked at, already "learned", by everyone involved in climate research and everyone trying to predict the effects of AGW.

    You keep posting the same basic bs. It gets the same basic response: nothing that happened in the past changes what's happening now.

    According to the research, AGW is happening now. According to the research, any natural cycles that are also happening are by comparison minor contributors to that major event.
     
  15. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    That was a carbon 14 chart. which basically became a worthless proxy when atomic bomb testing skewed the results.
    I don't see anything convenient there...
     
  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    skewing the rage away from atmospherics of hysterical subjectivity ...
    how wide spread were humans lighting massive Forrest fire some 500 years ago ?
    my Brazilian is burning ...

    https://rainforests.mongabay.com/08indo_fires.htm

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    ... so much for the age of big data

    thankgoodness there is no climate there so there is nothing to change
     
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  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not forest fires, as far as anyone has discovered.
    But setting major savannah, prairie, and brushland fires is a human innovation older than agriculture - for thousands of years a large fraction of Australia, and several expanses in North America, appear to have been maintained as open land for hunting large herbivores by regular, purposeful, and persistent fire setting. Entire ecosystems of those regions in Australia seem to have evolved in adaptation - new species, fire adapted subspecies, enough time under that human regime to have undergone Darwinian evolution.
     
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