Countrys that will be changed by climate change

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by RainbowSingularity, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Wild fires in California is hardly a new thing and that is what someone asked. I'm not commenting on whether they are now being made worse by man made issues (I'm sure they are).

    I don't like in the wrong parts of Florida or in Florida at all thankfully.
     
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The thread title even starts with a "typo".
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    So is the intensity, frequency and destructive nature of these fires typical of California?
    We are having huge fire problems here in Australia many of which are historically significant.

    Perhaps you deliberately wished to troll ...perhaps not...
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    No, I was just pointing out that certain parts of California frequently have wild fires. I'm not commenting on whether they are worse now than usual. I don't know is all I can say about that. Probably.
     
  8. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    All weather has happened before. All destructive weather events have harmed people before. Novelty is not an issue.
    The frequency, intensity, duration, distribution and altered pattern of weather events are serious issues.
    General unpreparedness as they affect increasing numbers are life-threatening issues.
    The refusal of tax-supported agencies to take remedial action is a criminal issue.
     
  9. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Which tax supported agencies are refusing to take remedial action?
     
  10. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    The US government is probably the biggest offender. Also every subsidized industry, investment conglomerate and agribusiness on the planet. Not to mention the armed forces, which get the bulk of tax revenues and produce a huge amount of pollution [and nothing else].
     
  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i was reading an article saying a local government was unable to generate more and new income streams, because of the nature of what they do and how they get money.
    it seems an interesting topic to see sustainable non inflationary costing go along with a supposed capitalist structure which demands new investment money with almost no return process.

    the idea of sustainable business seems to be a poorly applied mechanism
    how do local governments make the hundreds of millions they need to provide new infrastructure ?

    meanwhile the economic global system relys on ever increasing inflation as a tool to enable business growth and currency value.

    is this an economic impasse ?

    how do local governments who are not allowed to own and operate profit business, in side a capitalist market, make the money they need to keep up with the society's demands(pollution waste, education, roading transport etc)

    we need to look towards mixed market innovators to help re-define the nature of the ability of local government to own and run businesses to make money to pay for what it is told it must pay for but is not allowed to own a business to make the money.

    asset stripping and privatizing government owned business(income streams) has directly caused this lack of income.
    will the world learn and adapt ?
     
  12. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    What are you talking about? Inflation is currently low and inflation doesn't produce anything anyway. By definition it inflates the value of something rather than producing more of it.

    Governments pay for things that they need to do through taxation. If they are raising enough to pay for services they need to either reduce services or increase taxes.
     
  13. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    No. While a few of the super-rich realize that the status quo is unsustainable, the majority of wealth-holders will bivouac in their wine cellars and throw out some executive-level minions for the tumbrils to carry off. The only way an established power-structure yields is through collapse or violent overthrow - even then, the most canny and ruthless get away: some Sydney Carton will always nobly die in their stead.
    Capitalism operates in boom/bust cycles, with each wave altering the employment and political landscape in some way.
    The more connections among those with economic power, the wider swathe of damage each "contraction" will wreak. Now that the 82 (or is it down to 81?) are global, the mycelial network of money can easily bring down all the world's economies in a single superdepression. Take about five years and cause all kinds of suffering and dying among the serf classes. This time, there will be no functional governments left to plug the breaches and bail.
    Eventually, the survivors will, of course, adapt. To whatever.
     
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  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Haha and the basis for all this is what, a Mad Max movie?
     
  15. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have a Mel Gibson fixation?
    Not everyone gets their ideas from fiction.
     
  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Everyone here does that posts this stuff. I don't actually read fiction.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    What "cheap to build and operate" domes have been built?
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No offense, but you seem to. There have been a thousand predictions over the years of complete and total collapse caused by a hole in the ozone layer, a nuclear meltdown, a drought, a plague, a tsunami, farm inefficiency etc. All those things have happened. Civilization has never collapsed (outside of movies like The Day After Tomorrow, if you don't like Mel Gibson.)
     
  19. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think movies are intended to be read, but they're still fiction.
    That's true. It hasn't collapsed - yet. It's had all the near-death experiences writers predicted, but so far, it's recovered. I've had cancer, was sicker than I wish on anyone, and didn't die. Therefore, I'm safe to keep smoking and will live forever.
    Movie, or books that contain warnings about what we're doing wrong may not be accurate in all particulars. But, distract, displace, prevaricate and jeer however we like, we know what we're doing wrong, and sooner or later, it will bite us in the ass. It's already doing so, but asses have been bitten before, so it's all SOP.
    No amount of contumely you pile on me will change reality.
     
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  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you shouldn't try to read a movie. I don't read fiction however. You do understand the concept of having two thoughts at once (I hope). I don't watch sci-fi movies and I don't read sci-fi books.

    Since we are being literal. I do read books that are fictional in nature but I don't read sci-fi books. I'm just trying to not make your head spin so I'm trying to keep it quite literal for you.
     
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Pity.
     
  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Posting in wrong thread.
     
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  23. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I did read about Penny-Henny as a kid so I do understand the concept that the sky could be falling.
     

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