COVID from a China lab.

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  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal

    what you have not included is the compound was used more substantively in compound vaccines
    these compound vaccines were discontinued to remove any potential risk as a public alarm response and to provide a better quality product with a lower perceived "potential" risk
    these multi vaccines have been changed

    the the EU has gone further to rule out the compound on a best possible risk evaluation to eliminate public concern.



    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/pa...downloads/vacsafe-thimerosal-color-office.pdf
    the older vaccine combos of multi dose required higher levels of sudden Thimerosal & as a precaution these types of combination multi dose vaccines have been stripped back to fewer to give best practice and help eliminate parent concern around baby and infant vaccination which is fraught with miss information and terrible anti-vaxer alarmism targeting new parents with baby's to exploit ignorance & create panic & miss information

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/multiple-vaccines-immunity.html

    unfortunately the alarmist anti-vaxxer religious people and conspiracy theorists have continued their attack on new parents to create vaccine hesitancy
    combined with miss trust of science
    this leaves babys with high risks missing booster shots !!!

    currently 1st world health systems are struggling to try and get new parents to complete the basic vaccination process including BOOSTER SHOTS which is increasing terrible injury and death on small children and baby's

    USA

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm




      • Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (4+ doses DTP, DT, or DTaP): 80.7%
      • Polio (3+ doses): 92.6%
      • Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) (1+ doses): 90.8%
      • Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) (primary series + booster dose): 79.6%
      • Hepatitis B (Hep B) (3+ doses): 90.6%
      • Chickenpox (Varicella) (1+ doses): 90.2%
      • Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV) (4+ doses): 81.0%
      • Combined 7-vaccine series: 68.3%

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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    https://www.cureus.com/articles/199...rove-attitudes-towards-childhood-vaccinations



    Childhood Vaccinations


    According to a study conducted by the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, early childhood vaccination rates have been steadily increasing. However, a wide variation in vaccination rates exists between states and local communities in the United States. The study examined children born from 2010 and 2013 and determined the vaccination rates three years after their birth year, which is CDC’s suggested completion date for the seven-vaccine series, which include DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus toxoids, and acellular pertussis), polio (poliovirus), MMR (measles-mumps-rubella), Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b), HepB (hepatitis B), VAR (varicella), and PCV (pneumococcal conjugate) vaccines [5-6].They’ve found that among the four cohorts, 23% are under-vaccinated. Several factors contributed to under-vaccination in 2016, including missed well-child visits, refusal, inferred delays, and other unidentified reasons. The largest percentage of under-vaccinated children is due to missed well-child appointments, which is 62%. Inferred delays refer to delays in scheduling the seven-vaccine series, and they account for 4% of under-vaccinated children. Vaccination refusals make up 6%, which comparatively doesn’t seem like a substantial amount, but there has been approximately a 70% increase in vaccination refusal “for children born in 2013 as compared to children born in 2010.” Parents or guardians who refused vaccination, refused all of them, suggesting that one vaccine isn’t more likely to be refused than the other [5]. Additionally, the considerable jump in vaccination refusals emulates a deep-rooted problem that will result in life-threatening consequences.


    Anti-Vaccination Propaganda


    The anti-vaccination propaganda isn’t a new concept, as evidenced by Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s publication in 1998 that falsely linked autism to the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine [7]. But with the rise of social media, the anti-vaccine sentiment has proliferated. Although social media has played a pivotal role in how biomedical and healthcare companies communicate with their consumers and match the consumers’ “needs and interests with available products and services,” it has also provided a platform that allows consumers to spread misinformation. Social media has enabled consumers to “rapidly seek health information, share medical advice, AND directly manage health conditions,” all of which could be considerably beneficial but only with caution [8]. According to the National Assessment of Adult Literacy (NAAL), only “12 percent of U.S. adults have proficient health literacy” while approximately 35% have basic or below-basic health literacy skills. The limited literacy skills render them incapable of thoroughly understanding available health information to use appropriately, which further propagates misinformation [9].


    The nineteenth century marks the beginning of the compulsory vaccine era. It began with the Dutch government in 1871 where they required that all schoolchildren receive vaccinations to prevent the propagation of smallpox. But in 1881, it came to a halt when the Association to Oppose Compulsory Vaccination was established. The association presumed that mandatory vaccinations violated individuals’ liberties and, in response, promoted religious exemptions. In 1879, the Anti-Vaccination Society of America was founded, and its leaders were worried that government intervention would threaten their practices and manufacturers feared that it would limit their trade. Albeit the compromised stance of the leaders of the Anti-Vaccination Society of America, many states repealed compulsory vaccinations. In 1889, the Royal Commission on Vaccination was established to retaliate the rise of the anti-vaccination movement, and in 1907, it passed laws to allow individuals to opt out as a compromise. With that, the anti-vaccination sentiment diminished progressively, more so when medical licensure laws became more structured and when the federal and state government gained more control over public health. The movement was originally against the compulsory nature of vaccinations “rather than vaccination” itself, but its current reemergence is due to concerns about vaccine safety. Unlike the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, the anti-vaccination movement gained deep-rooted traction with the existence of social media and negative connotations surrounding immunizations perpetuated exponentially [10].


    Commitment to vaccinations follows the continuum model whereby the intermediates and extremes are represented. Vaccine hesitancy is the manifestation of the intermediates and includes behavioral strategies used to seek alternate vaccination schedules, such as selective refusal, delay of certain types of vaccines, or beginning vaccinations later in a child’s life [11].The lack of confidence in vaccine safety and efficacy along with the quality and convenience of vaccination services contribute to the likelihood an individual will get or have their children vaccinated [12]. Three common false immunological claims influence the public to be more reluctant to get vaccinations: antigenic overload, prominence of autoimmune disorders, and natural immunity. The antigenic overload claim alleges that children’s immune systems are incapable of handling the number of antigens given in immunizations. In Wisconsin, 64.9% of 236 parents that claimed non-medical exemptions stated that they are concerned too many immunizations could weaken their children’s immune system. Those who concur with the antigenic overload claim argue that too many vaccinations could trigger a “cytokine storm,” which, in turn, would result in adverse health events. Although the claim hasn’t been substantiated using scientific evidence, there is a rare occurrence that antigenic simulation caused by vaccines could result in an anaphylactic response. Additionally, there are four significant articles of evidence that antagonize this claim. First, the amount of antigens from micro-organisms that are exposed to children the moment they’re born exceeds the amount and variety of antigens given via vaccines. Second, “studies of vaccine efficacy and safety include” combinations of the different vaccines in the seven-vaccine series didn’t establish any evidence of symptoms and signs of antigenic overload. Third, vaccinated children haven’t demonstrated evidence of antigenic overload. Fourth, throughout the years, the amount of antigens in vaccines has drastically decreased with the implementation of a vaccine schedule and improvements in vaccinations. All four declarations augment the fact that antigenic overload shouldn’t be a concern for parents and that there is sufficient evidence to combat any statements indicating it should be a reason to refuse immunizations. The second claim that anti-vaccinationists have promoted is that vaccines can cause autoimmune diseases. The claim suggests that the vaccine components mimic a human protein so much so that when antibodies are produced, they bind to human analogs instead of the antigens they’re meant to attach to, resulting in an autoimmune response. To identify any possible associations between vaccines and autoimmune diseases, specifically type I diabetes mellitus, multiple sclerosis, and Guillain-Barre syndrome, the Institute of Medicine organized a panel of experts to review more than 12,000 published reports and failed to find any association. The third claim asserts that “immunity induced by ‘natural infection’ is safer than vaccine-induced immunity.” Although acquiring the infection could result in “superior immunity,” acquiring the infection could impose high risks of lethal or disabling complications. Additionally, booster shots, which are subsequent shots of the same vaccine, strengthen the immunological response to certain diseases without the risks of death or other complications. Further, immunocompromised or immunosenescent individuals are unable to retrieve live viral vaccines and depend on others that are capable to do so to protect them from a natural infection [13]. All claims made by those who argue against vaccinations have been countered via peer-reviewed studies, but its advancement debilitates the effect that vaccinations have done on public health thus far.
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the short story is anti-vaxer propaganda is killing baby's & allow them to catch preventable diseases that cripple them for life


    lol
    i read medical reports, journals & clinical study's including data appraisal study's by medical professionals with doctorates and professorships and listen to scientists talk about things
    i read clinical trials and research trials on vaccines & drugs

    i will come back later and watch what you have posted out of curiosity


    [Two links to dubious videos removed by moderator.]
     
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  8. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    Check out the info in post #59 too.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/covid-from-a-china-lab.164194/page-3#post-3670979

    That's good but keep in mind that the American media is famous for lying about science.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-26#post-3475851
     
  9. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    YOU began the whole thing, then complained elsewhere about your off topic posts getting removed!

    The sheer irony of that is beyond belief. THAT is exactly your main problem, you ignore copious amounts of things brought up. Strangely though, anything that enables you to repost from your wall of spam or copy and paste from endless duplicates - oh you reply to that.
     
  10. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    Stop linking back to your own posts, people are more than capable of reading it the first time! You completely ignored my response to that as you do so very often.

    Again with your bullshit claim and any excuse to spam the idiotic wall of spam. Comprehensively taken apart by this blog*.

    Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax: Whistleblowers, governments and lies. (debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com)
    "Summary:-

    This section of the "wall of spam" highlights two points that massively contradict each other.

    We have the premise that scientists and governments lie, "demonstrated" with whistleblowers and articles written and spoken by numerous individuals very much alive.

    We then have the premise that nobody would speak out about Apollo because they would fear for their lives!

    BUNKUM!"


    *
    This is where he completely avoids that entire page because of some lie about his arse-kicker being a paid sophist, which he cannot prove - his "proof" is where his arse-kicker kicks his arse and he thinks his own opinion actually means something.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You brought it up, you dishonest troll.
    No one here lies more than you do. The old saying about glass houses comes to mind.
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    FatFreddy has been warned for promoting information about vaccines that is false.

    Due to accumulated warning points, FatFreddy will be taking another brief break from sciforums.

    Also, anti-vaxxer lies are not the topic of this thread.
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 71 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Free for today. Had hoped to have photo of needle going in. They ran out of Vaccine

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    Or..... is China attempting to initiate an attack on the USA dollar to grab a large share of the reserve currency market?

    The Weimar Republic hyperinflation as well as the hyperinflation in Zimbabwe and Argentina taught us that two factors are needed to produce hyperinflation.
    1. print lots and lots and lots of money quickly
    2 greatly DECREASE productivity!

    Both factors have been happening all around the world over this past year!
    Yes... China could well have a lot to gain from what has been happening but there is a tiny segment of relatively wealthy people in all nations who actually like what has been happening to the world economy.
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the indefensible position
    the perfect victim
    the children make the enquirer to be the abuser via the mother

    most people are brainwashed to accept what the mother says as being scientific fact
    when the reality is she is giving her personal emotional feelings as a 100% emotional position of events.

    there is no clinical material in the news item
    it is 100% 1 person making a 10 minute story

    0 proof
    0 scientific data
    0 clinical reports
    0 blood test reports

    i could venture into some discussion on things but that would be somewhat off topic

    you need to post medical data
    not just some fantasy story dictated by a person on camera crying as they talk with mood music added

    your posting off topic
    i suggest you start a thread on the subject if your interested in it.
    PM me when you do and i will come in and engage.

    the highest scientific most probable statistical cause is the mother catching the father having sex with the nanny and then the nanny being fired and poisoning the children or the mother poisoning the children

    what she describes is extreme traumatic shock
    this would be achieved by serious abuse of the children
    physical
    and or a combination of poisoning and abuse
    or
    a genetic abnormality(quite common in multi-births)

    no doctors reports to validate her story
    no pediatric reports
    no blood tests
    nothing
    just a big story with lots of crying and theatrics
    just like millions of americans who try to scam people every day in the usa
    look at all the fake charity's and medical fake injury's suing everyone


    late detection of a birth defect of pre existing genetic mutation abnormality
    she gets no money
    if she can blame a medical procedure

    she becomes rich

     
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  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    someone needs to mail you a go-pro type of camera to mount on your helmet & you can post little blogs of cruising through paradise on your scooter
    make it look like your flying
    add some chill music
    then played on a wall of a pub or cafe somewhere

    your idea sounds almost believable to an American or an industrialist or wall st type person
    but it lacks a few technical details which make the difference between it being a real desire and just a idea for anti-china conspiracy fiction
    fyi
    i do not support chinas excessive abuse of authority over peoples political freedoms
    equally i do not support the usa using its private business owners over taking governments with extremist liberal policy that undermines regulation and social controls like universal health care & market regulation.

    what would china do with all the usa cash if it stole it ?

    where would they put it ?
    what would it be worth ?

    they could build a new great wall of china made out of USA currency physical dollars and it would be a carbon sink
    and probably cheaper than trying to use it for anything

    it would be worthless

    what you cant see is the long game
    even though you think your playing it

    what happens when the chinese currency becomes globally dominant ?

    china suddenly gets painted as the evil master mind that the usa has been
    and china will become the new legitimized target for peoples complaints against big brother government and authority

    why would they do that ?
    it just makes them a bigger target for nothing in return
    as other currency's lose value and they lose their trade exchange values for their own production & GDP.

    why is china not the world #1 vaccine producer ?

    that is outright crack pot stuff

    who told you that ?

    any depression or sudden take over by a military dictator can create hyper inflation
    many European countrys have years of history to show how they have had inflation caused by exterior currency fluctuations and foreign investment playing with their currency for profit
    add on tourism failing
    and a MASSIVE lack of centrist regulation and social welfare systems and lack of market control & lack of regulation of private businesses & lack or regulation of corporates...
    and wham !

    printing money has no relationship to hyper inflation

    just the same as my question for the thread subject

    why is china not the world #1 vaccine producer ?
    answer this 1 question
     
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  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    considering where coronavirus comes from
    it is likely to be in many jungle like habitats in Asia & Africa for the last few hundred years waiting for the perfect storm to help it jump human to human

    if you have a 1 million sided dice
    and roll it 1 trillion times
    you have a better chance of winning the pandemic
    than if you only get to roll it 500,000 times

    additionally
    virus transmission from & between humans & animals

    longest established civilization
    versus
    ?

    looking at Asian archipelagos
    they probably suffer a much greater almost total extermination of gene ranges and villages over the century's
    versus
    inland civilizations where animals have been bred for hundreds if not thousands of years

    that is why genetic diversity is so critically important for humans and all other species
    now look at genetic diversity inside those claiming vaccinations turned their children into autistic patients suddenly
     
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  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 71 years old Valued Senior Member

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    I'll take it

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  19. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    tourism is their #1 cash income which drives their entire economy(middle class & consumer spending)
    im sure they will seek to add more free vaccines for friends stuck there

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    it makes financial local community & international sense
    (we look after our friends & our friends look after us)

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    1 theory
    wife is an alcoholic
    husband is a cheater sexual predator miscreant paying the nanny for sex or paying the nanny to be quiet about his affairs

    nanny realizes the babys are not really looking like the children of the husband
    discovers the wife has been having an affair and the babys are not the husbands

    nanny trys to make money by telling the husband
    husband pays nanny to do something to the babys and mother to force a divorce so she will divorce or go insane & he will pay her & she can run off with lots of cash and he will be free to live his single life and babys not his
    can refuse alimony

    nany poisons mother and babys
    but mother/wife is alcoholic and miss dinner that day
    same day they going for medical appointment

    only babys get poisoned & dont finish full load of poison because they dont have dinner after vaccine at home

    easy

    typical

    wife needs to maintain being the victim because she knows sh cheated and babys not hers
    husband just needs to agree to everything she says and he is untouchable

    or

    nanny has falling out with wife mother
    wife mother also informs nanny that nanny will be gone when children start school because wife mother will stop work
    nanny thinks
    if babys are sick bad then wife mother keep me in job for ever
    good money easy job

    or
    husband trys to poison mother & babys
    mother skips meal because she is alcoholic
    babys poisoned
    nanny changes food not knowing
    total poison is limited

    easy

    no vaccine cause science data anywhere

    why triplets ?
    because fertility treatment because he is useless for breeding and she is a bit useless

    new news headline
    fertility clinics cause autism

    new news headline
    bad male sperm donor causes autism
    bad sperm & egg storage causes autism
    pre existing condition
    who pays ?

    no scientific evidence of vaccine cause
    no link to a lab producing SAR'S CoV-2 based on your provided information
     
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