Death to Apostates (?)

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by James R, Aug 2, 2008.

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Death to apostates?

  1. I am Christian or Jewish. Apostates should be killed.

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  2. I am Christian or Jewish. Apostates should not be killed.

    7 vote(s)
    18.4%
  3. I am Muslim. Apostates should be killed.

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  4. I am Muslim. Apostates should not be killed.

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  5. I am a member of some other religion. Apostates from my religion should be killed.

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  6. I am a member of some other religion. Apostates should not be killed.

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  7. I am non-religious. People who become religious should be killed.

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    5.3%
  8. I am non-religious. People who become religious should not be killed.

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    47.4%
  9. No opinion / don't want to vote / other (explained below)

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    5.3%
  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Check any state atheism for details. All established atheist dictators have targeted people who were religious because they are no longer atheist.
     
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  3. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    No, (supposing for a minute that's true) they killed theists for being theists not because they were no longer atheists.
    And I asked you to name one.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not one single dictator of any kind has targeted anyone "because" they were no longer atheist, that I can think of.

    This confusion of religion and theism appears to be profoundly crippling.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Did they publish the names? Hmm let me see,

    Here:

    Thaddeus Nguyen Van, Father Ly; he's probably dead by now. But there are a 100 million names, so I'm guessing they won't be listed anywhere.
     
  8. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    Don't play the idiot apostasy is lawfully punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Qatar, Mauritania and the Comoros. Saying because no records are kept that it doesn't happen is as stupid as comparing public domestic violence statistics between Saudi Arabia and the US.

    what's this?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rechtsgutachten_betr_Apostasie_im_Islam.jpg

    Not even on the above list is malaysia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Joy
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Got any names? The Arabs keep detailed records of everything. They are famous for it. The atheists on the other hand, anyone know the names of the 100 million killed by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro and Mussolini? Not to mention The North Korean President?
     
  10. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    You have nothing other than diversion? Sad and dishonest

    poster: OMG they killed that guy
    SAM: yeah but stalin!!!!

    The arabs are famous for record keeping? LOL famous with the arabs maybe.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    poster: omg they killed one guy

    Sam: umm, yeah, your guys killed a 100 million. Any comments?

    poster: omg they killed one guy

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    Yeah, I worked with them for five years. They do nothing but.
     
  12. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Link.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    He's one of these guys

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  14. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah again diversion, muslims have killed millions as well, sadly for you their martial power waned in the 16th century and they could no longer conquer non-muslim lands as they did for 1000 years. What is the point inb me bringing that up when the question is simple and direct?....nothing
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, but did they kill them for no longer being a Muslim? Nyet nyet. Now atheists in their evangelical spree to spread liberation from superstition as they call it, find it necessary that everyone MUST believe as they do, since atheism is the "natural" state. Look at the atheists on this forum for example. Why do they post on the religion forum? To mock theists. Thats all. Because they lack belief.

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  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Were they killed because they became theists from being atheists ?
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yup, because atheism is the natural state and atheism is a highly intolerant natural state, from the looks of it.

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  18. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    Atheists ...evangelical..... The question is about apostasy in all faiths only muslim countries have death sentences against those who leave the fold, not christians, not atheists.... Diversion again.

    Just grow up and deal with it sam.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Muslims are honest. They don't pretend to bring democracy by calling people of a different faith as terrorists and bombing them to kingdom come.
     
  20. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I can't believe you actually believe this shit.

    The thread is all yours.. I'm out.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm merely looking at the evidence.:shrug:
     
  22. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The Nazi (theist) mass murderers were even more famous for detailed records than the Arabs. As were several of the South and Central American theistic mass murdering regimes. But Suharto's massacres were not well documented, nor were Rwanda's theist slaughters, nor the theist genocides of the New World Reds, nor is the current theist genocide in Sudan. So thesim itself does not, apparently, lead to proper record keeping.

    Your list there boils down to Stalin and Pol Pot, btw. Mao was not murdering by and large (any more than various Indian rulers, anyway), Castro was small scale in this discussion, Mussolini was theist (probably life long, definitely at the time of his Blackshirt programs, which again were small scale), etc.

    And you keep overlooking the beliefs of the actual murderers. Mindreading leaders is always chancy - there have probably been atheist Muslim leaders. The followers are easier to evaluate en masse. North Koreans are officially theistic, for example - as were (unofficially) at least some of those who worshiped Mao.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Since mind reading is not my forte I am going by official records. Officially atheist goes into atheist records.
     

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