Demonizing people

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Sorcerer, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. Sorcerer Put a Spell on you Registered Senior Member

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    Times change. It is now accepted that people are people, whether straight or gay, and have the same rights, which includes marriage. That's what this thread is about: it's wrong to demonise gay people whether because of religion or anything else.

    It's time that you paid attention to the changes in our society and brought your attitudes up to date. This is the 21st century not the 12th.
     
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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Did she say that she killed her son because she thought he was gay?
    I understand that her daughter was there while the mother and boyfriend laid into the little boy, and did testify. Did she mention anything about
    the so-called homosexual motive? As far as I can tell, she didn't.
    So far the prosecution has claimed that motive because of a facebook message by the mother. But how do YOU know that was the motive?

    You think I'm ''cherry picking''.
    Tell me something, do you think the Bible view homosexual sex as perverted?

    jan.
     
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  5. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You misunderstand, I'm NOT demonising gays.

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  7. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    jan.
     
  8. Sorcerer Put a Spell on you Registered Senior Member

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    Then stop trying to deny them their rights.
     
  9. Balerion Banned Banned

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    He just showed that marriage was one of those unions.

    C'mon, Jan.
     
  10. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    ???

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  11. Balerion Banned Banned

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    So what is your point, then? What are you trying to say here? What purpose is all of this misinformation, lying, and evasion supposed to serve?
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    Isn't that the argument you tried to make earlier? That according to the Bible, it was a "sexual perversion".. Or are you going to attempt to deny that as well?

    As for Jessica Dutro..

    In one message, Dutro wrote that Zachary, then 3, was “facing the wall.”

    He’s going to be gay, she wrote. “he walks like it and talks like it ugh.” That made her mad, she wrote. Canady needed to “work on” the boy “big time,” she wrote.

    In legal arguments outside the presence of the jury, prosecutor Megan Johnson said the message established Dutro’s motive for inflicting on Zachary a pattern of torture and abuse. Authorities say Dutro assaulted three of her children, but Zachary received the brunt of the violence.


    Cherry picking and making excuses...

    Not unexpected from you.
     
  13. Sorcerer Put a Spell on you Registered Senior Member

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    Are you being deliberately stupid? Denying them the right to get married is denying them their rights.
     
  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How does it establish a motive?

    Did she say she was going to kill the boy because she thought he was homosexual?

    Does she have a history of violence against homosexuals?

    Why does there have to be a motive outside her own anger?

    Is ''Canady needs to work on the boy'' some kind of code to mean ''Canady needs to batter the boy to death?

    When the police went on her computer, did they find any evidence at all that she hated homosexuals, to the point where she
    would kill her own little boy?

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    Senior Deputy District Attorney Megan Johnson told jurors that Dutro subjected her children to "systematic dehumanisation" as discipline....

    ...In a message to her boyfriend, Brian Canady, Dutro said that she was upset because she thought her son was going to grow up to be gay.

    “He walks and talks like it. Ugh,” she wrote, adding that Canady would have to “work on” four-year-old Zachary.

    Dutro's lawyer has denied the message was a motive for the killing.

    Mum Guilty of Murdering Son

    jan.
     
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  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Where have I denied them the right to get married?

    Seriously dude, stop playing mind games and cut to the chase.
    I may believe in God, but I can't read your mind.

    jan.
     
  16. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You see, this is why I've decided to ignore you.

    I understand you could have jumped on the witchhunt bandwagon, as we obviously are at loggerheadz, but you didn't.
    Noted and appreciated..

    jan
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Jan, in all honesty, what in the holy fuck does it matter?

    If we are to take the bible literally, then she was justified in murdering the boy. Period, full stop.

    If we are to let logic and reason overrule a several thousands year old text, then she is guilty of murder in cold blood. Period, full stop.

    You cannot cherry pick here, you cannot simper around and sit on the fence... it is one or the other here.
     
  18. Sorcerer Put a Spell on you Registered Senior Member

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    Right here, this is word for word what you said:

    "I'm saying that marriage is between man and woman, male and female."

    That denies gay people the right to marry.

    You're just being deliberately obtuse again.
     
  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I'm saying that is what marriage represents, but now the word ''marriage'' no longer defines such a representation.
    It now means people getting married because they just want to, or because they can.
    IOW ''marriage'' is just a word, not a representation.

    jan.
     
  20. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So you are changing the meaning of what you said... again.
    What a twist!
     
  21. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Kittamaru,

    Then what is purpose of ''Thou shall not kill/murder'', if we are to take the Bible literally? A commandement specifically for
    the ordinary people.

    You and others are ones accusing me of cherry picking. I deny it (but to no avail).

    Obviously the hundreds of laws in the OT are specific to time, place, and circumstance, and not to be carried out by anyone. So to go out and stone an adulterer, or prostitute , is not the business of anyone, only to those that are properly ordained and situated in the right spiritual position. This why Jesus said ''let him WITHOUT sin cast the first stone.

    You should actually read and discuss these things rather than jump on idiotic bandwagons, you just might learn something


    jan.
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    If you want to play that game, fine. I'm not going to trapse back through my posts anymore.

    jan.
     
  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently you never trapsed through them a first time either...

    Are you finally ready to admit that attempting to take the bible literally verbatim is a bad idea because it is both self contradictory and horribly outdated?

    Ordinary people huh? So, are Pastors/Ministers/Priests somehow "free of sin" now? So... does that mean the priests who have been caught molesting young boys are "without sin" and should kill those who accuse them?

    You DO see the all too evident failure in that argument, right?
     

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