Did God answer prayer for healing?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Saint, Nov 9, 2020.

  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Who knows? It's the internet. Anything is possible.
    So when you said "we killed Jesus" you were really saying that some Romans killed Jesus 2000 years ago. But you and I aren't responsible or answerable for that, are we?

    Sorry, what are we talking about? What's the point of any of this?
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I'm sorry to hear that.

    Why do you think that God chose to answer your Mum's prayers, while ignoring lots of other prayers?
    That's a very selfish doctrine you've got there. Ultimately a self-defeating one, too.
    All of those things are allowed by your God, though, right? Condoned, in effect. He has the power to prevent rape, but chooses not to, for instance. Why do you worship a God who is able but unwilling to prevent rape?
    But God created a world in which there is scarcity and inevitable competition for limited resources. Why, when he could easily have created one that didn't have those things?
    Why did your God choose to create an imperfect world for his Chosen People? Did he want them to struggle and suffer?
    I don't understand. Are you saying that your God leaves evolution on its own 99% of the time, but steps in on rare (1%) occasions to make sure that evolution produces God's intended results?

    Why did God create evolution in such a way that it required constant personal attention from him? Couldn't he have set it up to work efficiently in the first place, without the necessity for his continual intevention?

    I think you'll find that the spread of Covid-19 is a bit more complicated than that. But your God created Covid, did he not? He set up his world so that Covid could exist and thrive in it, killing off large numbers of his chosen people. Doesn't he care about all the deaths? Why doesn't he do anything to stop them?

    That's a deepity. Good one!
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    How does the existence of parasites that burrow into human eyeballs relate to all this talk about human beings choosing evil over love? Did human beings make a choice somewhere along the line that meant cancer suddenly became a thing, when it wasn't before?

    Do you think that everything bad that happens is a human being's fault - or perhaps humanity's collective fault?

    What happened to that "good enough but not perfect" world that your obtuse God decided for whatever reason to create?
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You're saying that you're not a big fan of the scientific method, then?

    What alternative do your propose for gaining reliable knowledge? What do you rely on?
    You must find it ironic that atheists often refer to themselves as "free thinkers" then, given how opposed to free thinking they all are in practice and all.

    Can you please give me an example or two of how atheism is force fed to children in schools, and how it masquerades as scientific fact?

    Are there any Christian scientific facts, different from the atheist masquerady ones?

    Are scientific facts really about beliefs, though? What happened to the whole idea of testing hypotheses, etc.?
     
  8. candy Valued Senior Member

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    I thought the premise of the Christian belief in the divinity of Jesus was that he did not die.
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You're only betraying that you don't have the first clue about what evolution actually is. It sounds like you think there's a direction to evolution - like it has an end goal in sight somehow. From that perspective, I suppose, evolution could move "forwards" (towards the goal) or "backwards" (away from it). But that's a complete mistake. There's no end goal for evolution. Hence there is no "forward" and "reverse".
    You mean not all harmful mutations are selected out. But some certainly are.

    Suppose, for instance, that a human foetus's DNA happens to have a mutation that prevents a vital organ from developing - the heart, say, or the brain, or the lungs. That foetus certainly will not go on to reproduce and pass on that particular harmful mutation. In fact, all such foetal mutations are selected out.

    Clearly there are degrees of harmfulness in genetic mutations. Who'da thunk it?
    Wow! You got that precisely ass-backwards.

    Over time, individuals who carry too many harmful mutations are inevitably outbred by other individuals that lack those mutations (and who carry beneficial ones). That's natural selection in a nutshell.

    What goes extinct is not the species, but the harmful mutations.

    Understand?
    The truth is that human activity is currently reducing the biodiversity of the planet. It really has nothing to do with mutations etc.
    You really need to read something other than creationist pamphlets that are dropped in your letter box.

    Get this: there's no ideal "perfect" genome. There never was. Over geological time, the overall volume of "genetic code" has increased, not decreased. At the start, there were simple codes and simple organisms.

    Mutations don't just "delete" genes. They also add them. Call it "genetic augmentation" if you like.
    Why doesn't your God do anything to prevent corruption of his perfect design? Oh wait, no it's not perfect, you said. Just "good enough". A temporary fix. Right?
    Bad reasoning, once again.

    Suppose that evolution somehow produced the "perfect" bacterium, which was effectively immortal and able to survive in any environment. That bacterium species would out-compete every other form of life on the planet, until it was the only life left. Species would gradually be out-competed by the "super bacteria" and disappear.

    The thing is, measures of success like "stronger", "more healthy" and so are always determined by the environment. Research the term "ecosystem".
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    He died, but his "spirit" remains and is remembered by Christians.

    There is basically no difference between belief in Jesus and belief in Einstein, Newton, or Darwin.
    They are all dead but the spirit of their teachings lives on in our memories. It's all allegorical.

    I do wonder if Jesus was illiterate. AFAIK, he never wrote anything himself, did he?
     
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  11. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    He wrote on the ground - John 8.
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Did he? What did he write? No one knows. It's not in the bible.

    I find that really odd. All the disciples quoting Jesus, but the only time Jesus actually wrote something, no one saw fit to quote it! Could he have been doodling?

    Everybody doodles when they sit down in the sand.
     
  13. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    God was made up. Next case.
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, but to a theist that is not a persuasive argument. All they do is ask : "How do you know?"
    Then what?
     
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  15. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    (1) Ask them for physical evidence that their god myth is real.
    (2) Ask them how their god myth is any more credible than the myths of leprechauns, werewolves, and immortal hockey-masked serial killers that they do not believe in and which they may even consider blasphemous.


    Things tend to unravel pretty quickly when you push these two questions on them.
     
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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And they answer : "Everything you see is created by God".
    And they answer: "I know when God is in my heart". "My cup runneth over!"
    Not the die-hards who come to spar on this site.

    My favorite observation is that, if Jesus was conceived by immaculate conception (no male sperm), by god's own law he would have been a female and a clone of Mary. Can't make a male child without male sperm. There had to be a man and the "immaculate conception" might be an allegory for rape by a clergyman.

    That usually shuts them up and makes them go away.
     
  17. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Then they have already lost the argument. Neither statement is rational. Conversation over. No further response warranted. We have already won.

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    They have already been shown to be wrong... so who cares what they think?

    I've been on this site a long time and I'm practically an expert at giving a professional smackdown to religious retards. Don't even give these dipshits oxygen. It's that simple.
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, but sometimes it is amusing to toy with them.

    p.s. I am no stranger to this site . See number of posts.
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    When you read the story, it does kinda sound like that.

    Children like to write their names. It's usually the first thing they learn to write. Maybe Jesus Christ, the Son of God was all He knew.

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  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    But you do not get to choose the victory conditions.
     
  21. pluto2 Banned Valued Senior Member

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    In my opinion there is no God and human life truly isn't precious.

    A planet could smash into the Earth tomorrow ending all forms of life on this planet and no one in the universe will give a shit.

    If there was a good-hearted and all-capable God then there wouldn't be so many diseases, infections and disfigurements and people also wouldn't die from so many diseases and body malfunctions. There would be no terrible pain and suffering either because God would make all pain gone, for good.

    There would no ugly and disfigured people because God would have made everything and everyone perfect from the start.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    God has a quandary. If he makes everything in perfect balance all would become static and time would cease to exist. Therefore there must be imbalance to remain dynamic and evolutionary.
     
  23. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Are you even capable of orgasm?

    Sometimes when I'm overly anxious I just masturbate.
     

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