Disaster in Iraq

Discussion in 'History' started by timojin, Dec 29, 2016.

  1. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,220
    Well Alex it would help if you simply read the articles I linked to already. A certain unmistakable pattern emerges. If you want a fresh start, type 'Grant F Smith - Israel lobby' or 'Grant F Smith - Divert' into your search bar. But enough has already been supplied to add up 2 and 2 to get 4.
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,381
    I did read them.
    I am new to this and trying also to fit Iceaura's reply in the mix.
    I don't know why or how but I was reading about foreign aid from the USA to Israel earlier today ...well I have never tried to understand what goes on in the world and today I seem to finding about stuff that I had no idea about.
    Alex
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,220
    Right well it's up to you to sort out the chaff from the real stuff. And there's lot's of chaff to sort through. 'Anti-Semitism' is about the first cheap shot fired at anyone trying to expose what has really been going on for a long time. And it threatens to engulf us all over time. Just check out Samson Option. And they have the means and the will, which is genuinely scary.
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2017
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    50,459
    Saddam Hussein, the late fascist dictator of Iraq. The US helped dig up his mass graves, and wring his fucking neck, deservedly.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    21,955
    There is no such thing as a "definitive" Greater Israel map, and all the Zionist stuff was dramatically affected - altered in its goals and means - by the events of WWII. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_a_Jewish_state
    At one point a large fraction of what would come to be called Zionists was looking for a suitable Jewish homeland in South America. In the 1800s somebody tried to set one up near Niagara Falls, new York.
    Anti-Semitism is hundreds of years older than Zionism, and the many different kinds of Zionists have different aims, methods, and track records.

    Somebody who lumps all Zionists together, all Israelis as one kind of Zionist, and everything bad that Israel does and ever has done as a consequence of some hidden plan of domination and tyranny deduced from verses of the Old Testament, has turned their cards face up.
     
  9. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,220
    The die was cast at that 1897 conference. And thanks to their huge financial thence political influence, extracted the Balfour declaration from Britain as price to pay for their guarantee to bring the US in on GB's side in WWI. And so it was. Demonstrating their already massive political influence on both sides of the Atlantic.
    Depends how narrowly you wish to define Zionism. I and many others think of it more broadly as the vicious tribalist-racist philosophy having it's discernible roots in those OT passages and verses I gave earlier (and many others). The theme throughout Torah and later even more explicitly viciously racist Talmudic teaching is 'Jews triumphing over and enslaving all "the nations". Leaving Nazism as a pale imitation latecomer.
    And who is lumping all these together pray tell? I prefer to deal with the political facts on the ground as they effect all the rest of us for the worse. You might want to ponder e.g. why Israel would choose to develop and deploy massive overkill Jericho II & III MIRV'd ICBM's in those hardened deep underground silos. Far exceeding any need for supposed 'self-defense' against local and all non-nuclear regimes. Because they are crazed, rabid Zionists quite willing to take down the entire world - that's why.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    21,955
    Oh bullshit. A bunch of nutcases got together for fantasy swap, and nothing happened for fifty years - until the goyim showed everybody what rabid and crazed really looked like.
    Yep, playing the cards face up. We're going to see more of this as the Trump era gathers its confidence.

    Imagine how terrible the Nazis would have been if they had managed a more realistic imitation of the Jewish conquering racial hordes, with their mass enslavements and world wide slaughter of innocents, as featured on that other planet you're from.
    It's called MAD - mutual assured destruction - and however goofy it sounds it's been standard defensive nuke theory since their invention. It creates and maintains the capability of utterly destroying the home cities and governing personnel of any attacker who threatens to succeed in their assault - thereby forestalling assault. Right now the only two countries on earth who actually need it are Israel and Iran.
    There's a whole bunch of similar folks in Texas, Montana, North Dakota, Colorado, Florida, Confederacy, Republican Congress - apocalyptic vision and Deity-given mission and all.

    And yeah, they do kind of worry a person. They're short the whole picnic except for the anthills, they have military weapons at hand, and their paranoia has no real targets - they're freelance whackjobs a guy like Trump can aim as he pleases. Hell, W aimed them at Iraq.
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2017
  11. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,220
    The rest of your shit talk is same old same old, but what the hell is that bit supposed to mean?
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    21,955
    Don't worry about it - you have a Jewish takeover of the planet happening right in front of you, obviously a bigger problem.

    People have to be informed that things like the disaster in Iraq were not really arranged by the Protestant Republican politicians and Protestant Republican oil company executives and Protestant Republican military contractors and so forth who seemed to be making all the bad decisions, but by the backstage Zionist puppetmasters and their perfidious ways of getting everybody to do what they want without ever even showing their faces,

    and what the Jews wanted in Iraq was to have Iran's major regional enemy and major secular government in the area removed and replaced by a fundie Islamic Iranian ally,

    thereby taking a step toward consolidation of the formerly fragmented Shiite region under alliances of Shiite control, and filling the rest of the region with newly empowered Jew-hating jihadist Sunnis awash in war-surplus weaponry and well financed by Jew-hating Sunni oil powers.
     
  13. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,220
    So you really and truly think AIPAC is a toothless tiger for instance? That Bible-believing Protestants are the ones running it all? That Zionist Jews don't openly admit to controlling all the US mass media, etc. etc.? Someone is in fantasy land. Now, back to quoting you from #27:
    That's BS. Lots and lots of prep happened in those 50 years. But digressing into that just gets further away from the OP topic.
    MAD reasoning yes. To quote again the 'respected' Martin van Creveld, in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld#Views_on_current_affairs
    Which is 'logical' for a crazed Zionist regime that treats all the rest of the world as 'the enemy'. Any temporary 'partnerships' and 'alliances' being nothing more than convenient tactics to be reneged as soon as their advantageous use has expired. Such is the demonstrable political power of these creeps, such an utterance above quoted, that if ever made by say Iran would garner instant furious international action e.g harsh sanctions and the threat of preemptive military intervention, goes down in Israel's case with nary a murmur. Gee, I wonder why that would be?
    The latter sure needs it - given the rabid nuclear overkill armed neighbour constantly pressing it's US 'partner' for war against Iran as, laughably, 'an existential threat'. Err, no. Israel is demonstrably THE one qualifying for that title. Samson Option. Can't have 'Greater Israel' - well tough all you goys - we will turn all your cities into bonfires in retaliation.
    And is there an actual 'take the world down' policy in place? I think not. Which even if true, two wrongs would somehow make one right?[/QUOTE]
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    21,955
    I really don't like AIPAC, and I think some of its US associations are actually criminal - the US government should act in the interests of the US, not Israel, for one, and people who arrange otherwise should be removed from office. Meanwhile, I think Protestant Republicans control the stuff they are in charge of - oil companies, for example. Or Fox News (Ailes, Malone, Murdoch) and most of the rightwing media.
    Someone? Let's guess that the guy who thinks Zionist Jews run around claiming to control all the US media would seem like a first nominee for that distinction.
    "Prep". Like more meetings, and failed attempts to gather recruits, and the like?
    There was no Israel, and despite many attempts no Jewish homelend anywhere - not even around Niagara Falls - until after WWII.
    Standard MAD threat - lots of countries make it. Russia. China. The US.
    Yeah, there is. There's more than one, actually - an official one, part of MAD, and an unofficial Dominionist one based on those Bible verses you're fond of, and a genuinely crazy-ass one based on the Book of Revelations that ends with a Rapture of the Bombs right after Israel is returned to the Jews and the 2nd of the Comings is upon us all.
    They spread the blame out for the wrongdoings. Three, four, and five wrongs do that even better.

    And if you are looking for whom to blame for Iraq - from the installation of Saddam to the military destruction of secular government and installation of Iran II amid the Wahabis - you're going to have to bring something besides Israel and its evil Jewry into focus.
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2017
  15. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,220
    Careful - you are already rubbing the wrong way someone else on this forum. But anyway that much we agree on.
    Evidently you are ignorant of the fact Rupert Murdoch's mum Elizabeth Green was a Jewess. And according to strict tribalist-racist protocol, that makes Rupert a qualifier for tribal membership. Even if he tries to hide it, the fact he could get to where he has in the US media, demonstrates that fact of life. As an aside, maybe you are also ignorant of that Jews in Israel are forbidden to marry non-Jews (anyone whose Maternal line is not sufficiently 'pure'). Something the crazed racist Rabbis there are keen to police.

    Anyway, as I wrote, Jews have a stranglehold over all the mass media, and of course Hollywood. But you had better be a Jew before openly declaring it:
    http://newobserveronline.com/jews-boast-of-owning-hollywood-but-slam-gentiles-who-say-the-same/
    Inconsequential splinter groups could do their inconsequential things, but the die was cast there in 1897. And the machinations resulting in the Balfour declaration was simply one notable example of the carefully laid out and successful strategy that inevitably led to Israhell 1948.
    Not standard at all. The legitimate threat to Israel (that's being generous - it's Israel that's the threat to everyone else around) are regional regimes never allowed to possess nuclear weapons. Yet Israel chose to develop nuclear tipped ICBM's capable of reaching mainland USA! Insane - if you're not a rabid Zionist regime that is. And as I quoted re Creveld, they have all of Europe's capitals targeted. And every country in Europe poses an 'existential threat' to Israel? More Zionist craziness.
    No I won't. It was always a key part of Israel's Master Plan. It wasn't Israel that wasted some estimate around 5 trillion dollars, and fucked up the lives of so many of their goy soldiers, in pursuit of illusory 'Weapons of mass destruction'. But to go into the details of that just invites further digression into another contentious arena. As Mahathir observed, they always prefer to get their dirty work done via proxies:
    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Mahathir-10-years-ago-Jews-rule-the-world-333254
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2017
  16. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    50,459
    Everyone has everything targeted, there's nothing especially sinister about it.

    I really liked their "Passion of the Christ".

    Which must be why the Holocaust was barely covered in the press before 1945, and boats of Jewish refugees were turned away afterwards.
     
  17. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,220
    And you know that for sure? Which even if true of US, Russia, China, could not explain why Israel developed such a massive arsenal the first place. Nor how it was allowed to even happen under the noses of the CIA etc. Nor how Israel was even able to illegally steal the nuclear materials and detailed weapons designs allowing this current nightmare situation of a Golem regime able to blackmail the world.
     
  18. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    50,459
    Israel is a tiny country with lots of enemies. They have an interest in nuclear deterrence.
     
  19. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,381
    I probably should not comment but the little I know about Jews tells me that throughout history they have been treated very badly and for them to stand up and fight back I say great.

    If they can organise themselves to help crub the obvious prejudice against them great.

    If they do rule the world I can't think of a better group to do so, generally they seem well educated, focused on family, and decent morals.

    I think my second wifes side came from Jewish background so I guess my daughter would technically be Jewish, I don't know but the little I have read leads me to think that...

    And if Zionists are crazy I hope they have enough clout to balance out all the other crazies in the world.

    Its all too much for me.
    I have lived a life time in ignorance I am not sure I want to get into ME politics now.

    Alex
     
  20. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,220
    As you must know there is always at least two sides to a story. Chicken-and-egg ring a bell? No need to reply - just maybe do your own private research.
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,381
    Humpty and Poe?
    I put in a call.
    And between all of us we are not sure of all the ancestors but so far we have Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Polish, Russian, Dutch.
    I think being in Australia takes focus off heritage as there is a fair chance if you go deep you find your ancestors were convicts.

    I guess what you are suggesting there was a reason for being treated badly maybe to with religion?

    Folk not liking foreigners? Jealousy?
    I think one of the English kings told them to go but I don't know why.

    Personally I have not had a problem and that's all I care about.

    I could never understand Hitlers hatred what could folk do to bring that sort of hatred. I doubt if Jews killed millions of Germans and hitler was engaged in revenge.
    Folk will blame others when they should blame themselves for their situation and Hitler seemed to blame Jews for anything and everything bad, that must tell you something. Scapegoating maybe.

    If someone hates something I am immediately suspicious cause most times, in my limited experience hatred is irrational.
    As a kid the division was between Catholics and Church of England both sides were irrational nutters in my view.
    If someone hates another they may have s reason but it may not be s good reason.
    Alex
     
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2017
  22. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,220
    Yes yes or whatever. To be explicit re ckicken-and-egg situation: recall what I posted much earlier re Torah and Talmud - blueprints for Zionist Jews to pass on to their progeny generation after generation.
    You do have to have a certain grudging admiration for how persistently and diligently that has been maintained. And, naturally enough, in consequence they have reaped the consequences. I believe the expulsions throughout European history amounts to well over one hundred. Reputations are generally earned not given. But like I said there is always at least two sides to any such stories.
     
  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,381
    From Wiki.....The first Jewish communities of significant size came to England withWilliam the Conqueror in 1066.[1] On the conquest of England, William instituted a feudal system in the country, whereby all estates formally belonged to the Crown; the king then appointed lords over these vast estates, but they were subject to duties and obligations (financial and military) to the king. Under the lords were further subjects such asserfs, who were bound and obliged to their lords, and their lords' obligations. Merchants had a special status in the system as did Jews. Jews were declared to be direct subjects of the King,[2] unlike the rest of the population. This was an ambivalent legal position for the Jewish population, in that they were not tied to any particular lord, but were subject to the whims of the king. This could at times prove advantageous and at other times disadvantageous. Every successive king formally reviewed a royal charter granting Jews the right to remain in England. Jews did not enjoy any of the guarantees of the Magna Carta[3] of 1215.

    Economically, Jews played a key role in the country. The church at the time strictly forbade the lending of money for profit. This created a vacuum in the economy of Europe that Jews filled due to extreme discrimination in every other economic area. Canon law was not considered applicable to Jews, andJudaism does not forbid loans with interest between Jews and non-Jews.[4]In consequence, some Jews made large amounts of money. Taking advantage of their unique status as his direct subjects, the King could appropriate Jewish assets in the form of taxation. He levied heavy taxes on Jews at will without having to summon Parliament.[5]

    Jews acquired a reputation as extortionate moneylenders which made them extremely unpopular with both the church and the general public. While an anti-Jewish attitude was widespread in Europe, medieval England was particularly anti-Jewish.[3] An image of the Jew as a diabolical figure who hated Christ started to become widespread, and antisemitic myths such as the tale of the Wandering Jew and allegations of ritual murders originated and spread throughout England, as well as Scotland and Wales.[6]

    In frequent cases of blood libel, Jews were said to hunt for children to murder before Passover so they could use their blood to make the unleavenedmatzah.[7] Anti-Jewish attitudes sparked numerous riots in which many Jews were murdered, most notably in 1190 when over a hundred Jews were massacred in the city of York.[7]

    Coming with a conquest would not help.
    Having to repay a loan would not help.
    But it is hard to see why folk turned on them.
    Alex
     

Share This Page