Do we have free will or is everything predestined?

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  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well said Gustav! I dont have time to go into the issue now.
     
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  3. Donnal Registered Member

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    ok this is what i worked out

    critica mass
    if one point has an energy thru a signal from one point
    and if another point and many more have this signal
    one can use the signal for device in weather change
    am i right or ami wrong
     
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  5. Donnal Registered Member

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    with critical mass
    it can bring the world on its knees
    then we dont have free will
     
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  7. Donnal Registered Member

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    ok look what if the signal is the one thing we see in a calculated greene gass
    if one has the less greene house gass it seems to be the most giving in greene house right
    then what if that is energy passed thru a signal
     
  8. Donnal Registered Member

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    hold an ice cube in ur hand
    it will melt

    now nothing has changed in the atmosphere but only heat
     
  9. Donnal Registered Member

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    how can the atmosphere have anything to do with climate change
    u cant test the atmosphere u wont find anything wrong with it

    so maybe its the energy coming from a signal causing heat
    and many signals together is critical mass
     
  10. Donnal Registered Member

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    sooo i sent a signal
    a few years back it never came back
    till i sent another one this time it came back
    i sent this signal from my pc just a normal pc not this one
    i programed my old pc like i always did
    cause i dont like docs
    those signals never cam back
    only last time it came back
    seems to me they have advanced technology and have blocked
    they also tracked the signal only to the area
    no one can see their files
    so why are they so dammed worried about a signal
    no one can hack their files as im not a hacker
    but i doubt very much if anyone can hack into gvtment files to do with child safety
    yet the signal came back
    they blocked it
    ok look the usa said they saw on video or film of australia having very intelligent
    equipment and it blastered this unidentified object the usa was tracking
    now the point it came from was in australia
    now the signal i sent to roma qld seems to be blocked
    where would they know the way to do that
    i mean ok so i know but i only know so how did they kow to use equipment
    maybe the signal is coming friom them in roma qld
    go ahead send one urselves
    it will only come back
    i reckon its a critical mass to bring the world on its knees
    i may be jumping the gun abit but best to be safe than sorry
    strange how the weather changed dramaticly and the same areas are hit precisely the same time years later to date is it timed aswell
     
  11. Donnal Registered Member

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    ok why would liberals give the dept an abundance of money and also they have no law
    no law can touch them
    now why would they buy extravagant technology
    when they are only keeping files
    ok look i proved to my govtment they overspent in elaborate inteligent equipment
    but why
    and why is the signal coning from australia
    and why was my signal blocked
    hmm
    i for one know they are into more than one would think
     
  12. Donnal Registered Member

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    ok i warned you of them buying advanced equipment did i not
    ok i found this old movie it explains detail for detail
    critical mass and the energy sent thru signals
    its called The Arrival
    its about climate change and of course its alien stuff too
    Enjoy
     
  13. Donnal Registered Member

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    ahmm do you think i had too much coffee today
     
  14. Donnal Registered Member

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    it was bloody french coffee fuck me bloody rome
    parden my french
     
  15. kmguru Staff Member

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    I would, but I don't know ya...

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  16. Gustav Banned Banned

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    i am the real bloody rome
    kmguru is an imposter and an alien to boot
    you bastard, km!
    we are on to you
     
  17. Frud11 Banned Banned

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    We are not alone.
    We aren't even just one person, but we end up "collecting" every one else's "person"--this is who we are.

    No-one is any more than all the reflections of everyone else they've ever met. Also all the things they've seen (awake and asleep), or heard, or felt, or tasted. Everything "you" have ever experienced: eaten, breathed, or added to "yourself", is what you are. Information collecting itself.
     
  18. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    I do not know unless Chalmer, who coined the phrase*, is a professor there.

    BTW Chalmer also suggested that it is impossible to explain the "crumbling hand" experimental results by any known version of consciousness, but it falls out easily (is even predicted by) my "real-time-simulation" model of perception.
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    *"Consciousness is the hard problem."
     
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  19. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    For answer see:

    http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1689440&postcount=39

    and the several preceeding posts by me and metakron.

    It is possible (probably not too likely, I think and hope) that the Earth is already starting to switch to the hot stable state. Venus switched to it long ago.

    If the Earth's atmosphere becomes opaque to surface IR radiation, then the switch will occur and Earth will become steril (No life of any form on Earth, as then the atmosphere will be nearly 100% H2O as very hot steam at the surface.)
     
  20. Frud11 Banned Banned

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    The climate is changing because there is more heat in the atmosphere.
    This is because humans have altered the heat capacity (its ability to hold heat) of the atmosphere by adding CO2 and NOX and so on, apart from all the other pollution (nitrates, metals), that are causing changes in the oceans and elsewhere.

    This is largely due to our collective inability to think further than a few years ahead.
     
  21. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    True, but a tauntology.
    Nonsense - O2 and N2 (plus a little argon) are so dominate that replacing all other gases with a mix of these three could make exactly zero change in the heat capacity (if the mix is chosen correctly). I am nearly sure as I understand heat capacity physics that Arogn has lower heat capacity than either of the dominate two so suitable mix is a little A with which ever has the higher heat capacity, but O2 and N2 will be nearly the same as both are diatomic molecules. I bet O2 is very slightly higher than N2 in heat capacity, but possibly not in all temperatre ranges (if their rotational and vibrational spectra differ significantly).
     
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  22. Frud11 Banned Banned

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    You don't seem to understand what a greenhouse gas is. O2 , Ar and N2 have nothing like the capacity to "store" heat that CO2 or NOx, or methane, or ozone, or any of the other anthropogenic atmospheric pollutants have. You do know what "absorb" means, in terms of radiation?
     
  23. Gustav Banned Banned

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    ja, prof in hameroffs dept
    consciousness has two explanatory components. a soft and a hard. in light of your claim i shall read your thesis again. perhaps a greater understanding of pov could be extracted

    billyt, indulge with this prediction. keep the exposition as simple as possible
    thanks
     

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