Does God care about atheists

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    That is impossible, its just that you dont understand what you are talking about and a have unsupported dellusionary belief that I is separate from the body.

    It is not...if it is send "I" to New York and your body to London.

    My country.
    My hero.
    My dream girl.
    My dream car.
    My town.
    My street.

    That should get you started and move you away from the crazy notion you have about owning your body.

    Certainly you would, they will present you with reliable research whereas the theist scientist often seems to find results fitting their belief...I refer to that unforgetable chap who I cant his name who finds that children naturally beieve in God. I mean that is clearly rubbish.

    Clearly that scientist is a liar and a fool who should have the decency to get out of science and become a priest.

    You seem a little encumbered with an incapacity to understand simple propositions.

    Either that or you seek to hold off presenting ridiculous proposititions because you are starting to become elightened and wish to avoid presenting yourself as superstitious as you have in the past.

    Or you are running away from the truth now that you realise I will continue to offer you facts to substitute for the made up stories you seem to have no trouble rationalising with reality.

    I dont want to indulge your delusion, I offerred...you as usual drifted off to the land of make believe and having found it was your turn to comment you still only have nonsense to present wnd work with...nothing has changed.

    That is a lie and you can prove it but you wont.
    A lie clear and simple.
    Shame on you.

    At this point you either admit you lie or its all over Jan as I said if I find someone lieing I dont deal with them any more.

    Mmmm OK so you are not going to read wiki.

    I can see your problem you have not replied to my question because you think my questions are nonsense.

    Not very enlightened Jan and a discussion forum probably is not for you.

    That is not a problem as atheism is the solution to move humans away from superstitious nonsense.

    So who is the comedian now?

    I keep telling you but you dont understand...I cant fix that until you push aside the wool that is impairing your vision.

    What game do you think I am playing? Pin the tail on the donkey? Catch me if you can? Hide and seek?

    If you cant think of anything to say maybe avoid saying anything.

    There is an old saying.

    It is better to keep your mouth closed and appear to be stupid than to open it and confirm the fact...not saying you are stupid Jan, I can leave that to others, but you seem to be off your game lately.

    Seems reasonable to me... what seems unreasonable is your maximum avoidance of all and any questions such that I try and total all you have said and realise you have said nothing.

    It does remind me of pin the tail on the donkey and I cant get close to ....

    Of course you do Jan.

    It must frustrate you to find you are on the losing side and it is only your determination to stay on the losing side that causes me to think you are potentially stupid.

    You are the one who killed this discussion.

    I realise you have led the audience away from the OP with your curious behaviour and by not answering questions you clearly indicate no interest in this thread.

    As I said repent for your lie or indeed I will not play games any more.

    I dont deal with liars so realise your lie and admit it or I will not continue helping you seek enlightenment.

    If you do not admit your lie it will not be me who crushes you but it will be the weight of public realisation of your lie that will flatten you.

    Time to get real Jan or be crushed by public disapproval.
    Alex
     
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  3. birch Valued Senior Member

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    that's definitely not tough love but tough hate. if i said to someone burn in hell forever, i would not be holding out for a reconciliation or reunion as it will never happen. that's what forever means: never.

    burn in hell forever in the religious sense is a threat to control or modify behavior. forever has a finality to it so is most effective. there is no if, and's or buts.
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I might add: pedophalia means your "with God".
     
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  7. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Yet I can also refer to "my sense of self", "my consciousness", "my soul", "my spirit", "my sense of I", "my I".
    According to your argument I must therefore be separate from all of these things, even though many might think that these things are what the "I" is.
    Your argument would have the "I" being separate from the "I", simply because one can refer to it as being theirs?
    Is that what you think?

    Or perhaps your reliance on semantics is to be accepted as the poor argument that it otherwise seems to be?
     
  8. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    My country; Patriot: a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors. If you're not a patriot, it still stands that you identify, otherwise, there is no "My cou

    My hero; a hero is a person who is admired for having done something very brave or having achieved something great:

    My dream girl; A dream girl is the girl you wanna spend the rest of your life with. shes super beautiful and sweet. when ever your around her you get butterflies and wanna hold her so close to you and just listen to her heart beat sync with yours. this girl you will grow to love almost instantly.

    My dream car;... Because of this, we posit that your dream car is a very pure indicator of what your personality is. That's why we've discerned What Your Dream Car Says About You....
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....s/2013/11/what-your-dream-car-says-about-you/

    My town. My street. They are representative of the wider community.
    "I am". "My body" "My family" "My house" My friends". "My street". "My neighbourhood". "My Town". "My country". These are all associated with your body.

    What are you proposing?

    If you can offer one fact that backs up the claim that the primary meaning of "soul" is a made up concept. I will acknowledge it.

    Which question haven't I answered?
    Put it here and I will address it, if I haven't addressed it already.

    You really think I have not read it?
    How else would I know it will not yield much result?

    No it's not.
    It describes a person who lacks, or is without God.

    You haven't said why you think the prime meaning of the "soul" is a made up concept.

    You've yet to show such avoidance.

    If I thought you were stupid, I would have said so. Plus I wouldn't spend this much time trying to get a worthwhile discussion out of you.

    There are no losing sides, Alex.
    We just have fundamentally different world views.

    No. You did, remember.
    You tried to set a trap by diverting the discussion to Theodicy. But you didn't realise it is connected. How could you have known?

    The subject matter is still in tact. The problem is, you don't know it, even though you started the thread. The irony!

    Jan.
     
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't see, Alexander, mentioning pedophilia.
     
  10. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Jan you said you answered my questions which I said was clearly a lie.
    I list the questions I asked and did not answer them.
    Your lie was saying that you answered my questions if only one question I could accept maybe you overlooked the fact you did not answer but we deal with a list here... Have you lied or not?

    [
    QUOTE="Xelasnave.1947, post: 3495978, member: 283952"]So the myth is...
    The body dies and the soul continues to live?

    Well......
    Where does it go ?
    Does it live in a house?
    Does it eat and drink?
    Does it need to wash, wear clothes and go to the toilet?
    Can it enjoy the company of other souls? Can a mummy soul and a daddy soul still have a baby soul or at least love each other like mommys and daddys do?
    How do souls pass the time?
    Could my alledged soul still do astronomy and take astro photos?
    Are all the souls of every human from the start of the human race all waiting to go to heaven or are they already in heaven?
    How do souls get around?
    And what substance or material is the soul made from?
    Can anyone see or feel or touch a soul?[/QUOTE]
     
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  11. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    It acquires a new body.

    How do you pass your time?

    All living beings are essentially souls.

    Via material bodies.

    Souls are spiritual by nature.

    No.

    Jan.
     
  12. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Beer w/Straw, can you please remove that post. It's not funny.
    Thanks

    Jan.
     
  13. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    See the post above it is seperate so it does not get hidden in this post which I make on the basis that you will see the error and correct it which I hope is not mis placed faith that you, given your world view, will do the right thing.

    I really dont know where you are going with this... You asked a question and I answered.
    Probably poor answers in so far as I do not have a hero dream girl or dream car (although I love my 1200cc Hyundai so it sortta is my dream car.. best car ever).
    The point is just because you hold the perception of some sort of expressed separation between "I" and your body that perception establishes nothing along the lines you hope for...
    By all means extend your perception as far as you wish but please at some point tie your arguement to more than this one strange claim.
    I expect your inability to understand is contrived and if so I suggest use a tactic that does not show you in what I say is "not a good look"... If you simply" dont get it" I can not suggest suitable management of your problem.
    You want more than wiki?
    You really should take the time and read wiki and if you cant determine that the soul is a made up concept from there I really have no idea how to convince you.
    See the above post and I dont regard addressing to mean answering... So if yiu address your lie please give answers.
    I think you have not read it although you hint that you have I am sure that you choose your words carefully to give the impression that you had read it.
    And I think without reading wiki you have made up your mind that wiki is not for you.
    So did you read wiki or not?

    I see there are more posts so I will leave it here and maybe come back later.
    Alex
     
  14. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Jan I read your answers but I will continue here...
    You describe an atheist yet I mention a movement.. Atheism... Which is indeed a growing movement where all involved hope to see superstition leave our world.
    The fact I say so should be the only authority you require.
    I think I showed it rather well.
    That is really nice Jan. Thank you.
    True. I know you probably feel like you are losing with so many atheists running around and growing as the popular modern approach to reality but as we take over we will be kind to the believers, if any, who remain.
    Yes you gotta laugh.
    Alex
     
  15. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    I had a thought bubble before breakfast
    Of course god does not care for atheist
    It shows in the number of theist he made to hassle us pagans (and to fight amongst themselves) in what otherwise would be a happy peacefu pagan "let's get on with the party" life

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  16. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Is this a responce to a post by Jan that has been removed?
    Alex
     
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  17. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I dont think there is a God but probably we can blame the theist for not caring about atheists and certainly we can blame them for stealing our days of celebration.
    Theists seem to be an intolerant bunch given the way they are happy to persecute "heritics" as they will call anyone who does not go along with their crazy views.
    History shows this to be the rule rather than the exception.
    The fundamentalist is the enemy of all rational people although that does not apply to the atheist fundamentalist who is the true friend of all humans and animals.
    Alex
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I still think you lied Jan but for the first time I will overlook it and forgive you and I hope you realise in your case I have made a big exception.
    Its because I like you obviously.

    Your answers were very helpful and I thank you for same.
    As is often the case answers generate more questions.

    Is the concept of a soul fundamental to the notion of reincarnation?

    Is it your belief that your soul has "owned" various other bodies in the past?

    Alex
     
  19. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you.
    I guess the message is clear but I think guilt by association is a little unfair as I dont think Jan has said anything that we can condemn him for in regards to the terrible stuff referred to in the clip.

    But it seems there are some of these folk who proclaim to be believers who are evil.

    You can understand the appeal of joining a religion that has as one of its basic premises that firstly all humans are sinners, and that must appeal if you are indeed a sinner as somehow that lets you off the hook as everyone is bad so being another sinner is therefore somewhat normal....and better yet God sinned by commiting adultry with a female human for, aledgedly, the sole purpose of taking all the sins of humans with him to the grave via his only Son who he allowed to be killed, and which as a token of involvement, stayed in that grave, tomb, for three days and only then after three days of playing dead, to return, we must presume heaven...I can see how a stupid self centered preditory egotist would get on board with such crazy philosophy.

    And is it not wonderful how armed with the bible you can find a passage that will justify whatever odd position you wish to condone.

    That vid and that guy referring to Mary and Joseph as justifucation for the wrongs of Moore says it all...

    Still lets hope not all theists are lieing egotistical self centered hypocritical scum bags who use religion to hide their deplorable perversion and lack of backbone. There must be some who are decent...there has to be.

    When I went to Sunday school the two sons of the minister were really bad boys proper little thugs and the only pity is I never got to flog either of them. Nearly got one of them but he ran to his father who would not even listen to why I was about to flog him.
    He got away with whatever it was..I cant remember now.

    But of course they did, those bad boys, as does Moore, enjoy the wonderful god given gift of free will and the knowledge that God forgives sin in fact expects sin as normal behaviour for humans.

    I dont sin and certainly if I did I would take personal responsibility and not throw a blanket over any mess I created by offerring the excuse that all men are sinners...

    And you know what really gets me with these sex fiends.

    It is never their fault...How many times do you hear...She was asking for it...these nut jobs egos are so huge they think they are irresistable rather than what they really are repulsive intimidating scum bags.

    I dont think Jan is a scum bag however and say so far Jan has my respect and he cant help or be responsible for the terrible acts of others who follow a similar world view.
    But I would distance myself from religion if for no other reason than not to be grouped in with all the other nut jobs.

    I suspect there may be some, no doubt a very very small minority of, atheists who may do bad things, not as bad as a theist because a theists badness will reek of hypocracy, ....but some athiests could be bad.

    Although the percentage of atheists in goal I recall is relatively small.

    There are probably facts to support this but why bother citing any as thesists dont often use facts to reach even the simplest of conclusions.
    Alex
     
  21. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    It appears some still claim divine privilege

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    I think if they act like that they should be treated like bikey gangs. Not allowed free association, raided and all their assets seized, sold off and given off as compensation. None should be allowed to travel overseas except those who are not Australian citizens and those only to their own country. Any which return to their own country should not be allowed back into Australia

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  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I would go for chemical castration.... Soak their private bits in a solution of caustic soda until the job is done... I bet the thought of that would make your eyes water.

    This religious freedom is so stupid.

    Although I have a soft spot for the JWs.
    When living in the bush with no one visiting for 18 months you can guess who turned up one day.
    Four of them and the youngest would have been eighty.
    I felt sorry for them and allowed them to leave uninjured.

    Which was good because if younger I would have set the dogs on them... Four dogs one each.
    But there are some things you just wont let your dogs eat.

    What gets me is the moment someone says.... Its my faith... Well then reason backs away.
    Its an opinion only and should be subject to challenge.

    Faith is only an opinion and why it is treated as a hold up stop sign to reason is just not good enough in this supposedly enlightened time.

    Sorry I wont pay my land rates its part of my faith... Mmmm I might try it...
    I wonder how the booze bus police would respond.

    Perhaps I was initially too hard with the caustic soda thing... Yes to be compassionate I would go for a slightly diluted solution.

    Alex
     
  23. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    Don't churches do that already?

    On one of the episodes of QI there was a minister as a guest and he had been a prison chaplain. One of the other guest had put out that in the census under religion many were putting Jedi

    He recounted how one prisoner wanted a Jedi priest

    If I was in prison I would change my religion on a weekly basis. Or make up my own with beliefs fitting my lifestyle

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