Does reincarnation exist?

Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Asexperia, Apr 22, 2019.

  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Just by way of discussion:
    I was looking into and researching the method employed by the Tibetan "monks"when searching for the "reincarnated "Dalia Larma", the leader both spiritual and political of the Tibetan people.
    It is fascinating how intuitive the search is carried out and how they may be actually "intuitively" looking for recurrent DNA ( large percentage - similar) manifesting in a child born after the demise a previous Larma. ( any previous Dalia Larma - many generations included)

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    It is not impossible to consider that genetic lineage over hundreds of generations may manifest in recurrent DNA. Generational similarities of personalities ( dead or alive) is certainly not unheard of.

    In fact, it may be one of the main reasons why humans tend to prioritize their linage over others. Maintaining family/ethnic purity etc may be an intuitive desire to provide an idealistic probability of a recurrence occurring. Resurrection features commonly in many religious thoughts.
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    The reason I quoted it was certainly not to upset any one... I apologize for not considering fully your sensitivities.
    Perhaps by way of explanation it is worth suggesting that the use of mathematical probabilities, chance etc are merely intellectual abstractions, that we as limited humans use to placate our concerns about the unknown or unknowable.
    Thus the reality of any result is reduced to a binary of true or false ( dualism )
    As an aside, science tends to consider results that are at least 85% (?) proven to be evidence of the veracity of a theory. This allows for a 15% chance that the theory is wrong.
    My apologies in advance if the above makes your brain hurt. It certainly hurt mine when I first ventured down this philosophical path many years ago...
     
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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Speculation is rarely limited by what is impossible ...

    It seems to originate from Sun worship ... ancients interpreted the Sun appearing to stop mid winter was seen as it dieing and then as it appeared to move again after three days that was seen as it being resurrected after three days. Many of the human gods from those times featured such similarities to the Sun.

    Where reincarnation originated I don't know it may have spun off from the three day resurrection thing but I don't know..I will look into it however.

    Alex
     
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Of course you accept that my posts are not only for your own reading...surely. It is a public post after all.
    By all means you are free to express your opinions just like any one else and whether you wish to express your somewhat self declared intolerance for other posters opinions or not is entirely up to you.
    Your personal intolerance of "silly" quotes and thought teasers is noted but really irrelevant to the discussion.
    The thread titles is about the possibility of reincarnation existing.
    I am responding by suggesting that it may be so and suggesting also that there is scientific reason for that to be the case.
    The only area of concern being really is what people interpret reincarnation to be. In science it may be recurrent DNA with associated genetic memory, in some cultures it may have a more spiritual basis.
    But either way both relate to the topic in question.
    Perhaps starting a topic about what you can't tolerate in the "About the members" forum would be more appropriate.
    I am confident that if you traced you genetic linage you will find an ancestor that strongly resembles yourself.
    The development of photography though is only a relatively recent event ( 1826-ish) so it makes it hard to research it. In a few more generations it will be a lot easier.
     
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  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I get your point.
    The op talks of a soul finding a new body perhaps that should be the place to start. I don't think there is any evidence for a soul other than that there is nothing I can contribute.
    Alex
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, but again it depends on what people mean by a "soul". For surely a soul and a body are the same thing IMO (non-dualism vs dualism)
     
  10. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    To me it is really about the evolution of self discovery. Over thousands of years man kind is slowly moving towards identifying itself in a way that doesn't force a duality (religiousness) upon itself.
    Projecting a distinction between body and soul when in reality they are one and the same very complex being.
    The soul could be considered as an attribute or quality of a material being, nothing more. Thus grounded in science ( psychology, endocrinology ) rather than fear generated mysticism or spirituality.
    Reincarnation or resurrection could be considered in similar terms. Grounding spiritual thought using the material body, reproducing itself with all it's complexity as central to it's past , present and future existence.
     
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  11. elte Valued Senior Member

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    The idea of genetic reoccurrence in the human tree got me to think of twins and clones. There was a story of a rancher who had a beloved bull. It was gentle and sweet. He missed it after it died so he had it cloned. When it grew up it gored him and he nearly died.
     
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  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    obviously his cloning method was not quite adequate...
    or the environmental conditions that the cloned Bull endured from birth effected it's personality.
    The sensed expectation that the bull should be as nice as it's source code could have been enough to put the bull off so to speak...
    Suffice to say cloning the personality/love may be a lot harder than simply cloning key physical attributes.
     
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  13. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Death is synonymous with nothing. Can you just say death is not the end of the physical self and that your conciousness in not a spirit now free.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It is, is it?
    Are you telling me my father's coffin is empty?
     
  15. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    It is, or it will be soon.
     

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