Does religion make us better people?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Magical Realist, Aug 18, 2013.

  1. arauca Banned Banned

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    I have experienced prophecy through an other person and things have been fulfilled . I have not the privilege to hear voice in my head.
     
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  3. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    I don't know if it is a privilege, because there are also plenty of mentally ill who say they have voices in their heads. Therefore anyone claiming to have the voice of God in their head is liable to be sent to a psychiatrist and have a period of time in a mental hospital ward.
    I have experienced those prophecies by evangelical prophets too. A lot would come from their own thoughts and feelings.
    To really define what is from God and what is not is the issue. Tell me when you've figured it out.
     
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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    No, that's the issue, they really are good, sincere, well meaning people who's personal moral sense has been replaced by religious dogma.
     
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  7. geeser Atheism:is non-prophet making Valued Senior Member

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    I would be proud of you if I could believe that, however I don't think you would even attempt to risk your mortal soul.

    Well it was put in the bible, and states that God spoke to Abraham. Or is it you now don't believe the Word.
    I'm beginning to suspect you have no regard for your mortal soul whatsoever.
     
  8. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    That is one of the issues in the Beautiful Christian Song thread, in some way that personal moral sense overrides religious dogma.
    "You sin when you sin-not. Do what is right and trust that the Lord will forgive." So that all things should be done from a moral and just intention, and disregard feelings of dogma, for sin against the dogma, if any, is forgiven.
     
  9. arauca Banned Banned

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    I believe not every think written in the bible it is said by God , there is a lot written in the name of God by man to get lidership.
     
  10. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Dogma is the origin of sin.
     
  11. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Just like saying every assumption shown to be erroneous or disastrous in the name of science was performed by individuals obedient to the discipline.
    "Science makes an intelligent person stupid"
    :shrug:
     
  12. geeser Atheism:is non-prophet making Valued Senior Member

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    So you cherry pick the bits you like and discard those you don't.
    If that's the case, why bother with any of it.
    How do you know which parts are true and which are false.
    If god is all good then anything ordered by him by definition is good.
     
  13. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    well I guess that counts atheists in too
    :shrug:
     
  14. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    So you see my point then. "You sin when you sin-not. Do what is right and trust that the Lord will forgive. For if you worry about sinning and don't do the right thing that is sin for you didn't trust in the Lord's forgiveness"
    Now the exact phrases that were given to me from the Lord I've forgotten, I have them written down somewhere, but that was so many years ago, I wouldn't have a clue where they are but that was about the jist of it.
    The sin is in not trusting in the Lord to forgive. Which makes a religious person hesitate in doing the right and necessary thing. If it is done with the right and just intentions that is what counts. That is the Christianity I follow.
    I am sure it makes me a better person.
     
  15. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Just do the right thing and don't worry about the Lord? That's what atheists do.
     
  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I remember those days of my christian zealotry. Worrying all the time if I'm pleasing God enough. Getting on my knees nightly repenting in tears over sinful thoughts any normal 13 year boy would be expected to have. Religion did NOT make me a better person. It made me a groveling puritanical little fool who didn't have the cahones to do what he wanted and instead wallowed in misery before visions of a judgmental God. I remember when a classmate of mine drowned at the beach one weekend. I was up half the night begging God to take my soul instead of her's cuz well, she was Catholic, and I was taught by my church that Catholics were all goin to hell. That's the kind of crap I'm talking about here. The real life psychological damage brain washing kids with religion does to them. The unnatural fears of damnation and sex and the ever-lurking devil that the Bible burns into the brains of children just starting to discover who they are. Religion makes nothing better. Not a thing. It is a poison to everything natural and real in our hearts and minds.
     
  17. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    lol
    13 years old?
    Its called growing up.

    This has nothing to do with religion.

    Otherwise the only safe world view one could hope to advocate is something in relation to mario bros.
    :shrug:
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds like child molester logic. "LOL! 13 years old? Its called growing up. He'll be just fine."
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ?? Most people go through a lot of trauma growing up. That's not child molester logic, any more than your claim that you should be telling 13 year olds to be OK with sex is child molester logic.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Child molester logic is denying that things can traumatize kids. Coerced sex with adults. Coerced fear and anxiety thru religious brainwashing. Pretty much the same effect. A sort of habitual shame and self-hatred later in life not based on anything real. And that "most people go through a lot of trauma growing up" doesn't make it any less traumatic or tragic. That's like saying"well you were bound to get traumatized one way or another like everyone else. So it might as well happen this way."
     
  21. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Thanks. That's was your inner self spewing onto the message boards. That reminded me of myself a little at that age. That was quite courageous.
    So what was the answer? To you it has been the rejection of religion with subsequent moral freedom, and me it was acceptance of a religion that allows freedom (for acts done in the spirit of love). [Correct me if I'm wrong.]

    Both are delivering similar outcomes but I have hope (Heavenly rewards) and I suppose you don't.
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    In your previous post you were quibbling with yourself over when something is or isn't sinful. That sort of hypercritical self-scrutiny is what reminded me of my own religious experience. That for me was a crippling experience. It did not make me a better person. It sapped me of the natural self-confidence and courage a teen should be building in himself for later life. Religion left me with nothing to love in myself. Only by leaving it fully did I halfway regain the freedom and peace of just being who I am without judgment. Still in recovery basically. And no, I don't live on hope. Right now is pretty much where I live and focus my energies. And that's good enough for me.
     
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  23. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    play it safe
    stick to mario bros
    :shrug:
     

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