Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Asexperia, Feb 14, 2020.
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OK, do tell what was "before the beginning of this Universe".
If you profess to have the answer, I most likely will call that nonsense. But please, feel free..........Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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You're literally contradicting yourself. Since we can't observe anything prior to the BB, your pronouncement about "before the BB" is well and truly nonsense. By your own admission.
I think you know the outcome of any argument with river...take it from someone that is experienced. He will continue denying, in the face of any evidence available, much as some of our religious fanatics do.
Personally though, I'm not completely happy with the way you do word things. Science and cosmology can reasonably explain and observe [with particle accelerators and the like] how the universe/space/time evolved from 10-45 seconds, that is .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 from the BB instant, for river's benefit. Al we can say before that is that space and time [spacetime] as we know them, evolved from a hot dense state. The highlighted bit is important. Time and space, as we know them, started at the BB. Asking before that makes no sense really, although we can speculate based on current knowledge.
I like the universe from nothing as per Lawrence Krauss, and despite what river and the religious nuts say, it makes perfect sense, as long as one is prepared to redefine "nothing" In that regard, the quantum foam is obviously far far closer then anything else [including the magic spaghetti monster] we can come up with.
But hey, instead of getting involved with river who will never make sense due to his anti mainstream streak, we have plenty of threads in the cosmology section, some I have started as tutorials...not that they are perfect, but certainly, generally correct.
Jesus fucking Christ!! A post without one lefty, atheist allegation!!!!Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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Vociferous is posting on topic, paddoboy. I don't think he needs you to inject irrelevant personal commentary.
Yes, but that was already after the beginning. What cam before is still unknown, AFAIK.
Exactly, that's when we started counting time, because there is no "known temporal or spatial precondition prior to the BB and the birth of Spacetime."
That precondition before the onset of "inflation" might be a single dynamic quantum instant or a timeless dynamic potential probability. We do know that the instant after the BB was timeless as the Universe actually expanded at FTL during the "inflationary period" in the pre-BB permittive condition.
Irrelevant?? Not many posts from him do not accuse all and sundry of being lefties and atheists.
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You misunderstand methinks....In summation again, the BB was the evolution of space and time, as we know them. Of course whatever was before [if anything] is unknown...afterall it was the beginning of time.
What existed before is unkown...space and time as we don't know them in a quantum foam analogy...an analogy that is pretty close to nothing.
I don't see the BB as an evolutionary event. Change yes, but IMO, it was much too drastic, where everything happened all at the same time in the same space, causing the immeasurably short FTL inflationary period.
I would hesitate to call the birth of the Universe a "mutation" but that may be more precise than a concept of a gradual Evolutionary process of expansion and formation of elementary patterns.
All that came after the initial immeasurable short duration of the state of Chaos (inflationary epoch) directly following the onset of the BB, which IMO, was a mega-quantum event where everything happened at the same time in the same place, releasing all potential universal energy in one fell swoop, rather than a gradual evolutionary process in accordance with mathematical self-organization and formation of elementary particles.
That came after things cooled down and elementary physical interactions began the measurable process of evolution of spacetime.
Time arose with the first periodic phenomena. These phenomena give order to the universe. The first periodic phenomena are known?
There was no , " first periodic phenomena " . Since all forms have always existed . There was though , a first Awareness of the periodic . By us .
You are absolutely wrong. The universe had a natural beginning. You have an obsession: contradict everything.
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