# Energy - What is it?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Quantum Quack, Jul 20, 2012.

1. ### Quantum QuackLife's a tease...Valued Senior Member

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surprisingly enough that was a good offer...RJ!

However science doesn't think of the propagating energy [universally] as one pole of a dual pole system. It likes to consider only one pole at a time.

Example: An object is charged to 13volts. What is often not mentioned is that for the object to have a charge of 13 volts it also must have a negative charge of 13volts.

so we have a charged object at (+)13v + (-)13v and guess what?... that sums up to zero. So how much charge is present?

The real question is how can (+)13 volts and (-) 13 volts co-exist with out annihilation to zero?

As I mentioned in another thread the answer to that lies in another aspect of the system that appears to be missing.

the charge can only exist if "a span of time" is present.
so we have (+)13v + (-)13v + (t=delta >0) = 0. this way charge can co-exist with zero.

Therefore the "potential to do work" (energy) is dependent on having the time to do it in.

Please assume t=>0 refers to time duration

So a Zero Energy Universe, as you linked to, can not exist simply because time is present

Just a few thoughts......

3. ### victorespinozaGuest

I'm also trying to know what's the positive and the negative and I have come to the following conclusions:

1) Positive and negative comes from the Sun. It is not created here on planet Earth.

2) I don't know how the positive and negative was created in the Sun.

I have 10 years trying to learn what is energy.

5. ### AlexGLike nailing Jello to a treeValued Senior Member

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victor, stay in your own idiotic threads. Why you're allowed to post at all is beyond me.

7. ### Quantum QuackLife's a tease...Valued Senior Member

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Science has been at it ever since HairyClitus back in ancient Greece, declared "everything is fire" and they still don't know what it is or how to define it properly.
So only ten years trying is pretty good in my book...[chuckle]

8. ### Pincho_PaxtonBannedBanned

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I see energy as propagation, and passing a message.

If you were stationary you would still be inflating with whatever you want to imagine is the inflation physics, so not completely stationary.

1/ Inflation

And then the message must be passed along. If you inflate a bunch of balloons they squash together, and then push each other apart.

1/ Inflate
2/ Squeeze
3/ Push apart

All of these physics in spoken words break down further in Quantum Physics, and beyond Quantum Physics. To reconstruct the full image you need to follow the Newtonian Laws. The 3rd Law that every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

1/ Inflate positively / Inflate Negatively

And a negative inflation could be called a hole.

Anyway without imposing the physics on you, I shall leave it at that. You can decide on your own mechanism, but to me it is pass the message along, and obey Newton's 3rd Law.

9. ### RJBeeryNatural PhilosopherValued Senior Member

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Perhaps what you're getting at is that the scope of the system must be considered (or defined). A zero-energy universe is possible only by considering the universe as a whole, but subsystems can contain pockets of energy...although we're still stuck defining the term.

10. ### Pincho_PaxtonBannedBanned

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RJ has continued this thinking, so I would also like to contribute. I was talking about Newton's 3rd Law, it will always create a zero cancellation. But the physics aren't dead, they are altered. It's all about escape routes. When you build a kettle, you need the escape route for pressure build up. The escape route is the area of least resistance, and also can be thought of as the mechanics of least resistance.

Take a bunch of balloons, inflate them, they squash, they push apart. This is a series of mechanics of least resistance. Inflate, squash, push, move, and if necessary deflate.

When you talk about electrons you are talking about some hidden physics at such a small scale they can only be logically interpreted. I consider electrons to use the energy of flowing gravity through a spherical hole. So in my interpretation the energy is hole, and filler flow propagation.

The opposites are Hole + filler = 0.

The translation to new physics is escape the hole, flow to next hole. So a copper wire full of holes would be like a necklace of beads, and the beads spin, and escape along the wire.

That's an example... The mechanics Of Least Resistance, a translation of physics from zero to altered zero states.

11. ### rr6BannedBanned

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Physical/Energy = fermions and/or bosons

Physical/energy = fermions and/or bosons and combinations thereof.

Physical/energy and time have similar attributes, but time like most concepts has two aspects(metaphysical and physical ).

Physical/energy = motion/frequency.

Time = motion/frequency.

E in e=mc^2 is most often referring to EMRadiation if not also high speed electrons( beta radiation ) or high speed protons( gamma radiation ).

physical/energy occupies space ergo we live in a finite Universe of occupied space.

r6

12. ### ForcemanMay the force be with youRegistered Senior Member

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Energy is the ability to bend space time respond to cosmic radiation particles and cause matter to give up photons. Energy can be seen, for example when an atomic bomb explodes (energy and gamma rays are emitted and stay together in a configuration of right angles) and it is visible. Energy can be converted back to matter as seen in E = mc^2, and when energy is emitted it seeks through any space it can find.

13. ### rr6BannedBanned

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Common Sense Not Complex Formula

"energy" = physical = fermions and bosons = common sense conclusion

energy = electron-magnetic radiation and high speed electrons, protons or any other high speed particles the cause ionization.

"energy" = ability to do work ex bending spoons or spacetime ha ha.

So we have this thing called a spacetime--- just ordinary gravity imho and is sometimes shaped like a spoon perhaps