Are you certan that ghosts dont exist.???
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Are you certan that ghosts dont exist.???
Well no one has collected the million yet and I could prove they do I'd have collected it by now.
Yes... btw... are you certan that ghosts dont exist.???
I've never seen one, my family has never seen one and many people that I talk to haven't seen one.
Is ther anythang you'r certan about.???
How about ghosts... are you certan that they dont exist.???
Excluding some abstract tenets like that, which one inevitably has to have some level of confidence in, in order to make judgements at all (that are more than unthinking, animal-like responses / reactions).
The way I've come to deal with these affairs is to say: In terms of actual practice, my behavior amounts to "being certain that there are no ghosts".
But from either an epistemological or a reflective thought standpoint, I can't go to that degree (beyond a mere warranted stance) because of assorted speculative possibilities falling out of both sci-tech and philosophy that could undermine the chosen premises that I would try to derive such an unmitigated conclusion from.
The latter at the very least are grounded in a belief that some generalizations / universal rules truly exist -- or are as globally effective and unerring as if they did. Which is seemingly impossible to prove (in the intellective mode of verification) -- and/or prove specific views which consequentially fall out of them -- minus circularly appealing right back to those concepts and tools of reasoning. The alternative requires either myself or a consensus-making group to be witnesses to every microscopic and macroscopic event throughout all space and time (past / future) so as to "empirically prove" that the aforementioned are indeed so flawlessly, universally applicable. [I.e., seemingly likewise impossible.]
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Enmos
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No. Neither am I certain that God doesn't exist, or faries or pink flying unicorns.
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I am absolutely certain that ghosts have not been proven to exist.
I have high confidence that ghosts havent been proven to me to be real.!!!
Right. Just wanted to make sure we had that on the table because the opposite phrasing is often used by ghost crackpots for burden of proof shifting trolling.
As far as "Trollin" accusations aganst Magical Realsist goes... i have high confidence that he believes that ghosts are real.!!!
Magical Realist
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I am absolutely certain that persons haven't been proven to be real either. Yet all of us operate on the assumption of their existence everyday. Without any explanation required we regularly ascribe personhood to bodies everyday, including our own. Qualities such as intent, feelings, purpose, ownership, awareness, values, knowledge, and moral responsibility get projected onto every action a body performs. It doesn't therefore seem a stretch that just as we have a holistic physically-transcendent experience of personhood in ourselves and in others we do the same with ghosts or souls, especially when paranormal research turns up repeated evidence for said entities.
Will ghosts EVER be reducible to the movement of atoms in a physical universe? Will conscious persons EVER be reducible to that?
Will ghosts EVER be reducible to the movement of atoms in a physical universe? Will conscious persons EVER be reducible to that?
As do I -- but that has nothing to do with what I said. MR isn't stupid and he's done this and been corrected over and over again -- he knows where the burden of proof lies, but tries to manipulate it in virtually every thread.
In any case, this particular time he didn't start that angle, you did.
Landau Roof
Registered Senior Member
What I don't get is that "certain parties" tell us they don't believe in God, Allah, Krinsna, etc., heaven or hell, but they'll come on here constantly insisting that Casper is real, and even use that old churchman argument, that is no argument, that we can't prove Casper doesn't exist. Also I've know religious people who have had doubts and even abandoned the faith of their fathers. I have never known a ghost believer, Bigfoot supporter or UFO ogler to change their minds. How very curious.
And if there is no heaven or hell to haven't gone to yet, if there is no afterlife, how can there be ghosts? Do all the dead become wandering, lost souls? If that were so why is it so hard to encounter the many hundreds of millions of them there must be?
Yes, ghosts belief is the proper province of religious believers, not 'the certain party".
And if there is no heaven or hell to haven't gone to yet, if there is no afterlife, how can there be ghosts? Do all the dead become wandering, lost souls? If that were so why is it so hard to encounter the many hundreds of millions of them there must be?
Yes, ghosts belief is the proper province of religious believers, not 'the certain party".