force of an electric feild on a charge problem

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  1. On Radioactive Waves lost in the continuum Registered Senior Member

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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The problem:

    A line of positive charge is formed into a semicircle of radius R=60.0 cm. The charge per unit length along the semicircle is described by the expression <font face="symbol">l</font>= <font face="symbol">l</font><sub>0</sub> cos <font face="symbol">q</font>. The total charge on the semicircle is 12.0 microcoulombs. Calculate the total force on a charge 3.00 microcoulombs at the center of curvature.

    The figure shows the semicircle with is center at the origin going from 0 to pi. is the angle formed by dragging R clockwise from the positive y axis.

    the answer in the book is -0.707N<b>j</b> and I got -0.526N. Can someone please help me figure out how to properly go about solving this problem?
     
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  5. Myq Registered Member

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    First, DRAW A PICTURE! Then, using symmetry and a little calculus, you can easily solve this problem:

    First, note that charge density is symmetric w.r.t. the left and right halves of the semicircle; this allows you to neglect any force in the X-direction because for every little charge element, dq, on the right half, there is an equivalent one on the upper half. (This explains the J unit vector).

    Now, just focus on the force in the y-direction that is contributed by each little "piece" of charge that make up the hoop. The charge of each "piece" is equal to dq=(radius)x(dTheta)x((lambda)xCos(theta)). The force in the negative Y direction for each of these "pieces" is the constant, k, (or one over four*pi*epsilon naught) times (dq*Q/r^2)xCos(theta), where Q is the charge in the center. From here, you just need to integrate the force from pi/2 to negative pi/2.

    You will also probably have to explain the symmetry arguments to get full credit; you could just do an integral for the X-force, but it would be zero. Therefore, just do a little explaining and save yourself the trouble. If you still get the wrong answer, book might be wrong... I didn't check your results.

    Good luck
     
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  7. lethe Registered Senior Member

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    repost from pf


    consider the electric field at the center of the semicircle due to a little piece of the semicircle at angle &theta;. by symmetry, only the vertical component of this field contributes:

    dE<sub>y</sub> = - 1/4&pi;&epsilon;<sub>0</sub> cos &theta; dq/r<sup>2</sup> = - 1/4&pi;&epsilon;<sub>0</sub> cos &theta; &lambda;rd&theta;/r<sup>2</sup> = - 1/4&pi;&epsilon;<sub>0</sub> cos<sup>2</sup> &theta;&lambda;<sub>0</sub>d&theta;/r

    then integrate from &pi;/2 to -&pi/2:

    E<sub>y</sub> = -&lambda;<sub>0</sub>/4&pi;&epsilon;<sub>0</sub>r&int;cos<sup>2</sup> &theta; d&theta; = -&lambda;<sub>0</sub>/8&epsilon;<sub>0</sub>r


    the force on the charge is the F<sub>y</sub> = qE<sub>y</sub>


    we also need to solve for &lambda;<sub>0</sub>.

    Q = &int;dq = &int;&lambda;<sub>0</sub>rcos &theta; d&theta; = 2r&lambda;<sub>0</sub>

    &lambda;<sub>0</sub> = Q/2r

    finally
    F<sub>y</sub> = -qQ/16&epsilon;<sub>0</sub>r<sup>2</sup>


    plug in the numbers and you get -0.70588 N.
     
  8. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Aw man.
    Lethe beat me to it.

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    Someday I will be able to do that.
    Right now I am on Chapter 2 of Pre-Calc.
    I have AT LEAST a few more chapters to go to catch up to him.

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  9. On Radioactive Waves lost in the continuum Registered Senior Member

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    thankyou very much y'all!

    I knew i could count on you lethe
     

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