Forever?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by TheFrogger, Jun 18, 2017.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,960
  2. Guest Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,175
    Time is the singular of timeS...
     
  4. Guest Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    13,077
    My view

    and of many others with ocean size knowledge to my bath tub size understanding

    time does not exist

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  6. Guest Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,175
    Regardless IF any of you are going to build something that lasts forever, can you make it peace?
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 21, 2017
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    13,077
    No

    Gravity is sensed in the form of weight

    AGE from

    6.4.3 Time Has No Source
    No source of physical time has ever been detected in any place in the Universe,
    wherever it may be. No physical phenomenon can be identified as producing
    physical time. Locally, movements of the Earth relative to the Sun produce days,
    nights, and seasons, but these physical events are not time.
    A quartz crystal does not generate any more time than the spring of a watch: their
    oscillations just indicate that they are both seeking a state of physical equilibrium;
    furthermore, the time displayed on clocks depends inherently on laborious con-
    ventions, regardless of the technology they use.
    Therefore time is not a physical phenomenon. An additional confirmation is
    provided by the aging process.
    6.5 The Etiology of Aging
    In the common sense view, time is the cause of aging. But common sense knows
    nothing about either one or the other; to the extent that common sense confuses age
    and old age, breaking all the rules of terminological precision. Let us see why aging
    is in fact a consequence rather than a cause.
    As a first example, let us note that wrinkles are not the result of aging; they
    appear when the cells have exhausted their ability of scissiparity (infra 6.5.2). We
    can say that wrinkles are one of the causes of aging (inter alia):
    WRINKLES (observed reality) ) AGING (concept)
    As a second example, we observe that osteoarthritis is not the result of aging, but
    results rather from antecedent factors. On the contrary, aging is a consequence of
    osteoarthritis:

    Medicine draws a distinction between the chronological age, which is expressed
    with time units, and the biological age, which depends on the physical health of an
    individual, and which is expressed in units of “estimated” time:
    (a) The age, i.e., the chronological age, is a concept of time. It is roughly
    evaluable, but not observable: no medical expert can accurately guess the
    exact age of an individual. Strictly speaking, age is a concept corresponding to
    what separates the birth and today: the relevant information, expressed as a
    number of years, months, and days, is very poor.
    The age of all things, alive or not, increases at the same rate. A person who has
    been around for a great many years is considered aged, something that does
    not inform in any way as to his or her physical or mental health. The verb to
    age has a double meaning: to become aged (age increase) and to become old
    (deterioration of physical condition). Early in 2014, a Frenchman almost
    103 years old beat his personal cycling record by traveling 26 km in one hour:
    this was the feat of a man who was advanced in years—Cicero would say
    grandis natu—but not old.
    (b) Aging, i.e., the increase in the biological age, is a gradual and unavoidable
    degradation of the physical condition; old age concerns the physical condition
    at a given point in the process of aging. This is a reality which is observable,
    but which is difficult to evaluate. Indeed, there are countless criteria for
    assessing aging and old age, and the selection of one of them is necessarily
    arbitrary and incomplete anyway: the information contained by reality is
    extremely rich.
    The chronological age curve (Fig. 6.2) of an individual is a straight line, while
    the estimated biological age curve will be erratic. On a given date, when the
    biological age exceeds the chronological age, an individual looks older than
    the average.

    From the book below

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!



    Only NOW existing does NOT eliminate previous NOWs being remembered and being compared

    You cannot experience multi NOWs or EXIST in multi NOWs but you can remember previous NOWs

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  9. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,175
    If time doesn't exist will it remain such forever? If I create something that exists forever, does this negate the foreverness of time, so it doesn't exist?

    Has World War One on Earth ended? Will there ever be another World War One on Earth?
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    13,077
    Your questions seem confusing so if I misinterprete sorry

    If time doesn't exist will it remain such forever?

    As I understand the laws of physics yes

    If you create something which AGES forever would not negate TIME not existing

    foreverness of time, so it doesn't exist?

    TIME does not exist so there is not any foreverness anyway

    Has World War One on Earth ended?

    Yes

    Will there ever be another World War One on Earth?

    There could be under very restricted circumstances

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  11. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,175
    Well it would appear so. Perhaps nuclear war destroying all life on Earth, giving rise to World War One on Earth...
     
  12. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,175
    "F*ck off. Mecca's that way!"-Wah, Four Lions.
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,960
    Perfect. So you acknowledge that there is a "now" event for you right now, and there was a now event for you yesterday.
    And they are separated by ... time.

    You're not about to suggest the yesterday's "now" has "aged" are you? How can it? It is not real any more. There is nothing to do the aging.
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    13,077
    So you acknowledge that there is a "now" event for you right now, and there was a now event for you yesterday

    The operative word as you can see highlighted is was because it no longer exist

    That DOES NOT mean the rest of the Universe

    (which by the way does exist and is continuing to exist the last time I went outside)

    didn't exist at ANY previous NOW

    And I don't think I have ever claimed NOWs age

    How about ALL of the Universe ages? as NOWs vanishes?

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  15. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,175
    So there are not people from the future here now? When time-travel is illegal...
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    13,077
    No there is not

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!



    Since I consider time does not exist it follows I would be of the opinion travel in time would also be impossible

    Also I would consider it would be stupid to make anything which is impossible illegal

    However people will exist in the future

    Here I am only considering people alive NOW

    who will still be alive at any particular

    bookmarked future NOW

    And to double down about any of THEM

    returning to our current NOW

    No none of them won't

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!



    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  17. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,175
    If I cease to exist is this accurate to time Michael?
     
  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    13,077
    It's accurate to a bookmarked NOW

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,960
    This is how religions get started.

    Like this:

    I've got all these ideas that, in my head, make sense.
    I don't need to show that my idea is as good as or better than the established model of the world.
    I will just keep asserting my idea is true without reference to existing bodies of knowledge.
    And I'll get emphatic about it.

    And the world ticks along nicely whether they are true or not:
    - they are not falsifiable
    - they have no measurable impact on how we view the world).

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    13,077
    I thought the explanations about time in the book

    The Invention of Time and Space

    were great

    As I agree with them I try to explain the ideas in response to what about questions

    Currently what is the established model of the world ?

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  21. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,175
    Michael. Now, can you remember yesterday?
     
  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    13,077
    YES

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  23. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,175
    But you would argue that exists as a now, then?
     

Share This Page