Fortean phenomena

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Nov 16, 2016.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Now you're getting it.

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    I needed a mechanism that would match what I needed to explain, so I simply ... made one up.

     
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  3. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Except in the Delphos case we actually have an eyewitness seeing the misty propulsion of the ufo being released as it took off. For you, not a thing. So much for the pixie theory.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    A pixie is a UFO by the definition.
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL! Show me that from a dictionary..
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Which word are you struggling with? Unidentified, Flying or Object?
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Show me that ufo and pixie are the same thing. Should be easy if you're not lying.
     
  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Interestingly another case of a white chalky residue left by a ufo occurred in Port Coquitlam BC Canada 3 years later in 1974. The similarities are striking..

    "The dust was chalk-like and smooth to the touch when rubbed between the fingers. Two universities completed analysis of the material. Dr. Posnar reported that it showed no evidence of the residual material to indicate what, if anything, had been burnt on that particular spot. Evidence of radiation was also absent. The site did not appear to create magnetic distortions. Surrounding trees and leaves on the site perimeter did not indicate burning or damage, although checked over a period of several weeks.

    Tom Bennett, who conducted a more thorough examination of the carbonized substance, stated that a high degree of heat would be required to produce such results, but even simulated conditions would not extend so far into the sandy soil. He made educated guesses as to how the substance could be duplicated by using a variety of common available materials. But the big snag was that not all the elements would be left that were present in the site samples. On completion of an x-ray spectrometry test, the print-outs showed what Bennett described as an abnormally high amount of zinc present in the deposits.

    These findings were surprisingly similar to those of the Delphos, Kansas landing incident on November 2, 1971. In that case deposits with a high zinc content were also left by the object involved, and tests showed the presence of hydrocarbon of a type that might be an insecticide solvent or might show up in a diesel fuel. This, too, was found in the Port Coquitlam tests. Stranger yet, Mrs. Erma Johnson, housewife on the farm where the object landed, felt a numbness in the fingers (as did her husband to a lesser degree) after touching the residue, just as in the case of Mrs. Rogers. The numbness lasted "about two weeks" while Mrs. Rogers' lasted "over a week."

    On August 16 it was clear warm night. No one we spoke to had TV interference during the time of the landing. But it is possibly worthy of mention that Mrs. Bates' electric clock ran one hour fast that evening, something it has never done before. We feel this event is not a hoax. The boys told the truth as they recalled it."---http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case56.htm
     
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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You having trouble with that is not my problem.

    It's also beside the point. I am simply positing a very plausible explanation for the presence of the products in the soil. What we need is something that
    products unnaturally high levels of several particular acids. Well, pixie dust does that just as well as an elemental carbon ion drive.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    But nobody witnessed a pixie sprinkling pixie dust. They witnessed a ufo taking off. Totally different thing..
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, they saw an object, that was flying, that they could not identify as a known object, and it emitted some sort of glowing cloud. Just getting the facts here.
     
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    "Our final case, which Jacques Vallee described as, "the best-authenticated close encounter incident in continental Europe", includes not only hard traces, botanical data and physiological data, but detailed descriptions of beings associated with the UFO. It came to be known as ‘The Valensole Case’. Not only is it one of the most thoroughly investigated close encounters on record, but examination by French government agencies began on the day of the event.

    During early morning of 1 July 1965, Maurice Masse, a French lavender farmer, was working in his field in the village of Valensole, near the lower Alps, when he suddenly noticed an object that had landed in his lavender field. At first glance from a distance, he thought that it was a helicopter or some sort of experimental prototype, but as he approached closer to the object, he saw that it was oval shaped and rested on six curved legs and some type of central pivot. Through an opening in the craft he thought that he could see two back-to-back seats. Suddenly he saw two beings, less than four feet [1.2 metres] tall, wearing grey-blue-green suits but without any type of breathing devices. One of them pointed a small tube at the farmer, which immediately paralyzed him. Although lying on the ground, he remained fully conscious, noting that as they looked at him, with what he later described as ‘concerned expressions’, they made strange gurgling sounds from deep within their throats as they communicated with one another. Masse saw that the two beings had large hairless heads, smooth white skin, large eyes that slanted away, pointed chins and small mouths without lips. After their brief dialogue, they entered the craft through a sliding panel and the object took off, leaving a deep crater and an area of moisture that later became as hard as concrete.

    After about twenty minutes Masse was able to move his arms and legs, but four days after the incident he collapsed and his sleep pattern was dramatically altered for several months. Rather than his usual five or six hour sleep break, he was sleeping for periods of twelve hours or more and his wife and father noted distinct behavioural changes. Masse was a former Resistance fighter, an astute farmer and regarded as ‘absolutely trustworthy’ by police investigators. Lieutenant-Colonel Valnet, Maitre Chautard, leading the gendarmerie and the Mayor of Valensole, in fact everyone who investigated the case, concluded that Maurice Masse was telling the truth.

    Investigators found that the ground where the craft had landed was soaked with moisture, although no rain had fallen. Geometrically spaced indentations covered the area and the plants were affected by the proximity of the phenomenon, appearing to decay in direct proportion to their distance from the central column of the craft. The calcium content of the soil at the landing site was found to be much higher than in samples taken from other areas in the field.

    Famous UFO writer and researcher Dr Jacques Vallee, returning to the scene of the incident in 1979 and meeting with Maurice Masse and two of his close friends, makes a number of interesting observations. He notes that Masse was reluctant to give all the details of his experience to investigators as well as to his own family at the time, including the fact that he believed that some type of silent communication took place between himself and the beings. From the beginning he wanted to minimise the impact of the experience, not wanting publicity, amongst other reasons. Like many experiencers of this phenomenon, he had changed in many ways as a result of the experience, including the belief that some form of contact, once established, continued in subtle forms. Vallee concludes, "Throughout these discussions with Mr Masse I had the feeling that I was in the presence of a very intelligent man, capable of deep emotions and rational thought. He is also quite humble; he has declined to appear on a television documentary with a nationally known journalist.... I had brought with me a photograph of similar traces left after another case. Mr Masse looked at me with a mixture of amazement and relief that someone else was aware of these particular marks. He told us that he sometimes found them in his field; that’s how he knows that ‘they’ have come back. He always erases the traces immediately." ==========http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseSubarticle.asp?ID=147
     
  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Right..a disc shaped craft with bright lights that made the sound of a washing machine and then took off in a mist or fog that spued from its bottom. A ufo iow.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The entire case above comes down to his guy's accounting of events.

    Oh, and some unknown, unnamed "investigators" who found some calcium that had parched the ground and killed some plants.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It is almost the exactly the same composition as that of elemental carbon ion engine exhaust, only moreso.

    It turns out - rather astonishingly - that nearly every member of the 'Elemental Carbon Ion Engine Fan Club' has heard second-hand accounts of pixies. These account-tellers have no reason to lie so don't be besmirching their good names.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. As a matter of fact, that describes some of the larger pixies quite well, from what I have heard of second-hand accounts of people who have no reason to lie.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..it describes a ufo, from thousands of accounts of people seeing them firsthand..
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    What about all the accounts of people seeing pixies firsthand? There are some very famous cases.
     
  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Wasn't Sir Arthur Conan Doyle an example?
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    But noone saw a pixie in this case. They saw a ufo.

    People see Bigfoot too. Does that mean it was Bigfoot?
     

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