gender views cause of incel.

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  1. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    So think of how we must feel having to deal with you.
     
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  3. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    Same to most of you.

    Most of you have rigid views and cannot handle when an actual philosopher comes here and asks you to drop your annoying roman dogma.

    And that is why I said I want to reset my brain and only learn hard sciences, so I don't have to deal with society's philosophical ineptitude any longer.
     
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That was hilarious.
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    You've gotten yourself to a place where you can barely function unless you are in a perfect world. That's not going to happen. If you don't commit a crime you don't have to worry about prison. You aren't going to be in the military so you don't have to worry about that.

    You don't have to worry about all of humanity, just try to get along with the humanity that you come into contact with on a daily basis.

    Hating everyone isn't a good strategy for enjoying life is it? So why do it?

    I agree that some in the post jump to conclusions from your comments unfairly. However their conclusions aren't that far from what most anyone reading this thread would think.
     
  8. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Celibacy is a choice, there is no such thing as involuntary celibacy.
     
  9. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Great, do you know any?
     
  10. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    Its not just about me. I am an empath who wants to save prisoners from the pain and torment of inhumane prisons and prison conditions.

    Also there are so many laws that its harder to not commit a crime than it is to commit it.

    I dont hate everyone only humanity in general.
    Though there are some days I hate everyone but I don't feel good doing so.

    Yes but a little nudge can make all the difference. For instance if you put a train just a few inches off course it will derail.
     
  11. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    Yes me.
     
  12. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    I meant philosopher, not comedian.
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    Comedian would imply he is funny.

    There is nothing funny about the rubbish he has posted, nor is there anything funny about his beliefs.
     
  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    But I'll bet he does look funny in a dress, ba-da-bing!...I'll be appearing in the main room for the rest of the week...
     
  15. Bells Staff Member

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    Says the one posting images of poo and whining about how he "needs sex" and blaming women for not getting any, while ignoring the fact that his tantrum throwing about women, his blaming women for rape is why he isn't getting any sex to begin with.

    Not to mention the fact that you are defending "incel" culture, that has been proven to be inherently dangerous to the lives of women in general.

    In short, you do not get to whine about anyone acting like children when you then follow it up with utter crap like this:

    Has it escaped your notice that people responding to you are doing so honestly?

    That we are genuinely and honestly repulsed by your comments on this site?

    Something something about living in a glass house should apply here.

    You started this thread to abuse and insult women. This entire thread was started with the specific intent of harming women by defending a group of entitled men who see fit to believe that threatening, harming and killing women is acceptable because they want sex. Remember, you are the one who came out with:
    You do not get to accuse anyone of being crazy.

    Your mathematics amounts to 1+1=23.

    In other words, you are completely wrong.

    Lack of sex is not the driving force behind rape or why men rape.

    The greater majority of men who rape are already in relationships and are sexually active in those relationships.

    Rape is about power and control and humiliation. Sex is simply a tool to achieve said power, control and allow the rapist to humiliate their victim.

    Your ridiculous assertion also ignores the fact that children are also raped, as are men. Do you think a man who rapes a child is raping because children simply aren't giving him the sex he thinks he needs? Because you are essentially arguing that rape happens because men don't get enough sex.

    It would really help if you stepped away from the dangerous rape myths you have been peddling in this thread and actually learned about the subject.

    Why are you changing the context of what you have argued yet again?

    You openly advocated that women hate rape because they view sex as being disgusting. That rape is simply disgusting, while completely ignoring and arguing against the fact that rape constitutes a gross violation over one's autonomy and body. By putting it down to just being "disgusting" and blaming victims of rape because you argued that men rape because women don't 'give them enough sex', you diminish it, you diminish the absolute trauma (physical and psychological) it causes to victims. Trauma they never really ever fully recover from. It is always there, no matter how much one claims to have moved on, it's still there.

    You openly advocated rape when you declared that the only way for women to have sex is to get the women drunk. That is out and out rape advocacy and goddamn dangerous at that.

    You literally argued that men can get sex from women if they get them intoxicated enough so that they can no longer consent to sex. This is open advocacy of rape.

    You not only attribute rape to a false premise, you then cannot even say that rape is wrong? You are not in any position to state that rape is morally wrong?

    And you wonder why people are disgusted by you?

    Yet more facts about rape:

    x Misconception

    Sexual assault happens because people need sex. People get carried away by their sexual desires and/or hormones and loose control.

    ✔ Truth

    Sexual assault is a form of sexualized violence, that is, violence enacted in a sexual way. Like many other crimes, sexual assault is about power and control. Sexual assault happens because perpetrators put their desires over the survivor’s agency to consent. The survivor is never to blame.

    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    x Misconception

    Sexual assault is sex.

    ✔ Truth

    Sexual assault is an act of violence, not sex. This is an important distinction because by framing sexualized violence as about sex and not about violence we focus on the perpetrator’s narrative and not the survivor’s. Focusing on the perpetrator’s narrative leads society to blame the victim and to not hold the perpetrator accountable for their actions. Remember, sexual assault happens because perpetrators exert power over the survivor to take away any control the survivor has in choosing whether or not to engage in a sexual situation. Thus, sexual assault is not sex to the survivor – it is an act of violence.
    It is not about sexual frustration. It is not about lack of sex. Rape does not happen because women don't 'give men sex'. Your arguments amount to victim shaming and blaming.

    Can you please stop diminishing it as such? Can you please stop blaming victims of rape and sexual assault for the gross violations we endured?

    Stating the obvious, as you seem to believe, is not what you are doing.

    You are perpetuating a myth that exists with the sole intention of blaming and shaming victims of rape. It is not only wrong, it is dangerous and deadly.

    Please stop doing it.
    There is an expectation that you not act like a misogynistic tool, just as there is an expectation that you not advocate dangerous ideology that sees women killed on a daily basis around the world.

    That should not be too much to ask of anyone.

    Why do you have a problem with this?

    He closed it because you are simply using this website to spread dangerous myths against women. Myths that result in women being raped and murdered.

    We aren't biased against you. We simply object to people such as yourself using this website to spread a dangerous ideology with no factual basis at all, an ideology that leads to rape and murder. As I have noted previously, you aren't the first misogynist to post this crap on here and you won't be the last. Some had hoped to educate you, to try and get it through to you that what you are doing is not only dangerous to others, but also in the hope that you would see the light of day. But we are not therapists. This is a discussion site. We are well within our rights to shut you down entirely. I can say with absolute certainty that we have lost patience and our revulsion and disgust has reached a high point.

    From my perspective, you are a dangerous individual who should not be given a soap box. You need the kind of help that we are not equipped to give you.

    Going on Trump like rants is not to your benefit. Behaving as you have been behaving is not going to endear you to anyone.
     
  16. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Amen!
     
  17. ToR original Registered Member

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    Attraction is chemistry and we can't force it .. we can help it along, but when it comes to brass tacks we either fancy someone or we don't and if a person doesn't fancy you it's down to their lack of chemical attraction to you (vice versa). Someone somewhere will have a chemical attraction to you. Whether its reciprocated is another matter. The girls who fancy 'hunks' are not shallow their bodies just work that way. Some people are turned on by brains ... you'll find those people in venues where those with brains accumulate.
     
  18. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    You shouldn't begin a sentence with, "Because!"
     
  19. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    His argument falls apart when you consider the elderly, who do have active sex lives and do not conform to shallow social stereotypes of attractiveness.
     
  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That sounds suspiciously like, "Love the sinner but hate the sin." In reality, it's pretty hard to separate the sinner from the sin and the human from humanity.
     
  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    why are you posting photo shopped pictures of naked women with children with cancer ?
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    gamelord:

    No. Rape isn't about sexual frustration. As Bells said, it's about exerting power over somebody else, by force. What increases the likelihood, more than anything else, is the perception that one is entitled to take what one wants.

    Here's a hint for you for free: rape is wrong.

    Interesting that you use a familiar putdown that is thrown around by Trump supporters and conservatives.

    It's right to be outraged by rape. It's not a matter of being "hypersensitive". Rape is never okay, and it isn't something you ought to brush off as a mere matter of "disgust".

    Let's see. It seems to me that large numbers of people on this forum are lining up against your repulsive views on women and rape, and virtually none are telling you "Hey, you're right, gamelord! What you're saying is, like, totally reasonable."

    In such a situation, a person of moderate intelligence might start to wonder whether they were on the right or wrong side of the argument. But not you, apparently.

    You are showing your true colours here when you start to insult the people who are attempting to jolt you out of the fantasy world you've bought into. You're on the wrong path, and you need to change, before it's too late. If not for yourself, then for the safety of the women around you.

    Everything that has been written here has been based on statements made by you, directly quoted, which you have not only failed to retract, but have doubled down upon. When you ought to be apologising to women everywhere, you're instead dismissing their concerns and insulting them.
     
  23. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    People who have low sex-drives don't rape.
    Why is it that males rape often, but females don't?
    High sex-drive. Higher sex drive, means more hunger for sex. I defined sexual frustration as an unsatisfied hunger.

    You keep injecting moral outrage into everything. Like I said I never framed this as good or bad. I merely stated, that sexual frustration increases the likelhood of them raping. And here you go injecting moral outrage into it, instead of acting like scientist and viewing the situation without emotional bias. Is it too much to ask that you act more like Spock, and less like Kirk.
    I'm thinking about changing my avatar to Spock, because I'm tired of dealing with emotionally biased humans that can't be logical.

    When did I say rape should be legalized?

    But since you're going down that road of moral outrage, I would like to say this. When I see murder on the News, I don't care. When I see theft on the news, I don't care. It's just humans being their usual immoral creatures. So if I don't feel moral outrage about it, don't throw some kind of hissy fit at me, because I just don't care about your typical moral whinings of the human race.

    Don't know, all I know is I hate conservatives and didnt vote for trump.

    I'm not outraged by murder on the News, or theft on the News. Could be that I'm just not so morally sensitive as you are. Although I occassionally get riled up at war, but even that I am mostly numb to now.

    Also, the rest is your emotional bias clouding your judgement. I have already stated I believe rape is traumatizing to women. So where is this emotional outrage even coming from? Because I don't bend to your every view? I have stated what seems to be objectively reasonable: That rape is traumatizing to women because they are disgusted by it. And even that is not enough for you, what will only satisfy you is if I blindly obey and submit to your every word in dictation.

    What repulsive views? It is their views which are repulsive, making hysterical accusations that I advocate rape. When did I say to legalize rape? When did I say rape was morally good? Never and here you are defending a bunch of people making false accusations.

    Same I could say to you.
    So accusing them of being an aggressive mob, is crossing the line. But they are free to say I'm repulsive, undesirable, and outright make up lies about me saying I said things I didn't, and that's perfectly acceptable in your book.

    People ought to be apologizing to me. Not the other way around.
     
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