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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 71 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Testing and always being wrong is pretty close

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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Except defining what "it" actually is. No mechanism of spirits from beyond the grave, appearance on film, interactions, etc. has passed any kind of muster.

    So, so far, they have some phenomena. And there is already natural phenomena to explain these things.
    If someone ever comes up with a hypothesis of the mechanics/physics of dead hauntings, and can test the idea, then maybe there will be something to talk about.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    None of which has been shown to be manifestly tied to hauntings from beyond the grave.
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The reality of the phenomenon is all the matters at this point. Just like if your dog goes missing. You can know that it's missing without knowing how. And no, all natural explanations are ruled out on every investigation. There is no natural explanations for footsteps in an empty attic. There is no natural explanation for luminous orbs captured on film. There are no natural explanations for 3 scratches suddenly showing up on someone's back. There are no natural explanations for a little girl's laughter in a deserted house. Etc and etc. The theories of how it occurs will come over time, just as it does with all science. But we know paranormal phenomena are real and are not caused by mundane factors.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't have to be. Anymore than the existence of dark energy has to be tied to some theory we have about what causes it.
     
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Considering how long humans have fantisised about ghosts you would think the science would be settled by now. Do you think the movie ghost busters was a documentary?

    Remember in the old days of poor TV reception and you got ghosts on the tv... Where did they all go?
    Those were the days ghosts aplenty.
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  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously? Mainstream science considers it a woo subject. No scientist would touch it with a 10 ft pole. He'd be ostracicized and lose his funding for even expressing interest in it. So no it's not surprising there's no solid scientific theory yet about a phenomena science won't even admit exists. But there are some theories that can be tested. For example residual vs intelligent hauntings. Residual hauntings are like holographic recordings of the past. Intelligent hauntings are actual conscious entities like spirits. Both theories have their supporting evidence and can be tested in every case.
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    And yet there is so much evidence.
    Its funny we have folk believing in various Gods and look at the funding for religion.
    We muzt be missing something.
    Alex
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Science is a servant to corporate and govt funding. There's a shitload it's missing. Surely you know this by now.
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 71 years old Valued Senior Member

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    It, what ever it is, cannot be

    paranormal phenomena

    and

    real

    Pick one

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  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 71 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Is that you looking scared at the prospect of making a choice?

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  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, at least you're honest about being anti-science.

    Kind of makes all your previous assertions about science moot.
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong, I just don't worship science like some religion. It's a human enterprise subject to human motives.
     
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  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 71 years old Valued Senior Member

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    No one does

    But a lot of people seem to be intent on using that stupid statement

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  19. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you day that?

    A 1991 poll of members of the National Academy of Sciences found that only four percent believed in ESP (although 10 percent thought it was worth investigating). My guess is that many more scientists believe, at least tentatively, in paranormal phenomena, but they are loath to disclose their views for fear of harming their reputations—and even science as a whole.
    https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...minded-about-paranormal-stuff-so-why-not-you/

    The NAS membership totals approximately 2,290 members and nearly 460 foreign associates, of whom approximately 200 have received Nobel prizes.
    http://www.nasonline.org/about-nas/membership/

    By my math, that comes out to 229 scientists that believe the paranormal is "worth investigating" and at least 91 that "believed in ESP." Extrapolating, I think it safe to say that you could find at least one scientist to negate that "Mainstream science considers it a woo subject" idea. Or not...
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Your own article confirms it:

    "My guess is that many more scientists believe, at least tentatively, in paranormal phenomena, but they are loath to disclose their views for fear of harming their reputations—and even science as a whole."
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 71 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Is that a scientific guess

    ie it has been scientifically guessified

    or a

    wishful thinking guess guess?

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  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Yeah I do. I have the photos and videos you so helpfully serve up!
     
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