Hottest january ever say climate experts

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Climate scientist ranks right up there with used car salesman right now. Both seem more interested in selling us a bill of goods than exposing the truth.
 
Here in Key West we have had a rather cold winter. The past 8 years or so saw a very mild temperature for this time of year here but this year has changed that.
 
What do you all make of this claim by the experts? If its true
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It's nothing surprising.
madanth said:
Climate scientist ranks right up there with used car salesman right now.
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Only among gullible people in the propaganda bubble. IIRC you posted this morass of malarky from the dailyexpress, for example - I think you even believed it:
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Following the embarrassing revelations, the Daily Express published a dossier of 100 reasons why the rise in world temperatures is natural and not caused by man.
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We've got people with a source like that using it to argue against "climate scientists". That's a joke, as long as it does little damage.
 
Repo Man said:
We can't trust the lot of you. You're upside down, and all of the blood rushes to your head.
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That must be it. :3

To everybody else... You are aware that while it's winter in the northern hemisphere, it's summer in the southern? Right?

And that global average temperatures include those in the southern hemispehere... Right?
 
Trippy said:
That must be it. :3

To everybody else... You are aware that while it's winter in the northern hemisphere, it's summer in the southern? Right?

And that global average temperatures include those in the southern hemispehere... Right?
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You wouldn't be from Terra Australis Incognita, would you?
 
Trippy said:
That must be it. :3

To everybody else... You are aware that while it's winter in the northern hemisphere, it's summer in the southern? Right?

And that global average temperatures include those in the southern hemispehere... Right?
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It's a symptom of hemispheric arrogance. Just like every globe you see; the northern hemisphere is on top, the southern is on the bottom. On every scifi television show and movie, the Earth is always oriented that way. What difference would it make if the southern hemisphere were facing "up"? For that matter, why would an orbit aligned with the equator be preferred? Why not a polar orbit? Is anything other than an equatorial orbit considered bad manners? An interstellar gaffe, and the potential cause of interstellar war?
 
Repo Man said:
It's a symptom of hemispheric arrogance. Just like every globe you see; the northern hemisphere is on top, the southern is on the bottom. On every scifi television show and movie, the Earth is always oriented that way. What difference would it make if the southern hemisphere were facing "up"? For that matter, why would an orbit aligned with the equator be preferred? Why not a polar orbit? Is anything other than an equatorial orbit considered bad manners? An interstellar gaffe, and the potential cause of interstellar war?
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Quite right, one of the reasons I much prefer to use McArthurs Universal Corrective Map of the World.

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Or this Hobo-Dyers equal area projection.
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odtmaps.org
 
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Well I know in the States there was increased cloud cover and more rain - which meant more latent heat exchange. By pure intuition I would guess that the majority of the Southern Hemisphere saw more "Sunny Days" this Northern-winter than in the past. The majority of the sea surface variation for the positive was in the southern hemisphere as well....and if you consider that they're saying: "This is the warmest January on record using Satellites when compared with climate data going back to 1850" and I think Satellite data extends back to maybe* 1970...they're kind of being dishonest. That is, since a great deal of this warming would have occurred in the ocean.
 
CheskiChips said:
Well I know in the States there was increased cloud cover and more rain - which meant more latent heat exchange. By pure intuition I would guess that the majority of the Southern Hemisphere saw more "Sunny Days" this Northern-winter than in the past. The majority of the sea surface variation for the positive was in the southern hemisphere as well....and if you consider that they're saying: "This is the warmest January on record using Satellites when compared with climate data going back to 1850" and I think Satellite data extends back to maybe* 1970...they're kind of being dishonest. That is, since a great deal of this warming would have occurred in the ocean.
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And it has been an el nino year.
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Should temperatures below the equator even matter when most of the world's food comes from the Northern Hemisphere? If this 'go green' thing stops global warming and the sun starts a cool cycle humanity could be in a world of hurt if Iowa is covered in snow come August.
 
The Hottest January ever?

Oh really, just Google;

Coldest January 2010, and you get 270,000+ stories from around the world that give lie to that claim;

Chilling out in the coldest place on Earth - environment - 06 ...
Jan 6, 2010 ... Chilling out in the coldest place on Earth. 06 January 2010; Magazine issue 2742 . Subscribe and get 4 free issues. ...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527426.200-chilling-out-in-the-coldest-place-on-earth.html - 57k - Cached - Similar pages
MyReporter.com How much colder than normal was January 2010 in ...
Feb 2, 2010 ... January 2010 will go down in the records as one of the coldest ever recorded in Southeastern North Carolina, according to the monthly ...

http://www.myreporter.com/?p=5622 - 21k - Cached - Similar pages
Coldest January recorded for almost 25 years in Switzerland ...
Feb 1, 2010 ... has experienced its coldest January for almost a quarter of a century. ... Avalanche tragedy strikes rescuers hard; 12.01.2010 ...

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news_di...recorded_for_almost_25_years.html?cid=8207646 - 32k - Cached - Similar pages
January 'coldest month in decades' - The Irish Times - Mon, Feb 01 ...
Feb 1, 2010 ... Temperatures in Ireland were an average of 6 degrees below normal in the first 10 days of last month, Met Éireann said today.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0201/breaking47.html - 42k - Cached - Similar pages
A Top-5 Coldest Start to January Across Most Of The Area
Jan 10, 2010 ... TOP 5 COLDEST JANUARY 1-9 PERIODS AT SMITH CENTER (AVERAGE TEMP): 1) 2.2 IN 1974 2) 9.1 IN 1979 3) 10.7 IN 2010 4) 10.8 IN 1988 ...

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/gid/?n=atop-5coldeststarttojanuaryacrossmostofthearea - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
UK faces coldest winter in 30 years – forecasts | UK news | The ...
UK faces coldest winter in 30 years – forecasts. Digg it · Buzz up · Share on facebook .... It was last modified at 00.12 GMT on Wednesday 6 January 2010. ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/05/uk-faces-coldest-winter-weather - 83k - Cached - Similar pages
JANUARY 2010 – WET AND THE TENTH COLDEST - West Tennessee Weather ...
It ranks January 2010 as the tenth coldest January on record for Jackson. The highest temperature recorded was 66º on the 21st and the lowest temperature ...

http://wtnweather.com/?p=315 - 34k - Cached - Similar pages
Hannity repeats false claim that 2009 was "coldest year on record ...
by RavenRog (January 06, 2010 11:30 am ET). I don't know about 2009, but 2010 is sure looking to be one of the coldest on record. ...

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201001050056 - 53k - Cached - Similar pages
January 8th 2010: Coldest Day of the Winter on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Jan 8, 2010 ... January 8th 2010: Coldest Day of the Winter by Elad V.. 08/365 .... Taken on January 8, 2010; Viewed 105 times. Add to your map ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eladv/4257325612/ - 195k - Cached - Similar pages
High Speed Dirt: January 2010 One of the Overall Coldest Months On ...
7TH COLDEST JANUARY ON RECORD. MANY OF THE COLD FRONTS THAT CROSSED THE REGION DURING JANUARY 2010. BROUGHT BANDS OF SHOWERS WITH A FEW STORMS INTO CENTRAL ...

http://highspeeddirt-steve.blogspot.com/2010/02/january-2010-one-of-overall-coldest.html - 98k - Cached - Similar pages


Yes the AGW Orthodoxy that Man is the Sinner and the True Believes in the Theology of AGW, can save us from our ecological sins, just send them the money and they will save us from ourselves and make a Paradise for all the forgiven sinners who renounce their earth warming ways, sounds a lot like some other Theologians with a True Orthodoxy that will save the sinners just send the money;

How about Jimmy Baker.....Jimmy Swaggart....Marjoe Gortner.....all of those True Believers that if you sent them your money would save you from your self, while they became rich.

Sound a lot like Algore doesn't it.....and much of the rest of the AGW Orthodox believers whose livelihood rest on money extorted from us through the government, in grants for their life styles.

Yes, January 2010 the Warmest ever???? :roflmao:
 
Buffalo Roam said:
The Hottest January ever?

Oh really, just Google;

Coldest January 2010, and you get 270,000+ stories from around the world that give lie to that claim;

Chilling out in the coldest place on Earth - environment - 06 ...
Jan 6, 2010 ... Chilling out in the coldest place on Earth. 06 January 2010; Magazine issue 2742 . Subscribe and get 4 free issues. ...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527426.200-chilling-out-in-the-coldest-place-on-earth.html - 57k - Cached - Similar pages
MyReporter.com How much colder than normal was January 2010 in ...
Feb 2, 2010 ... January 2010 will go down in the records as one of the coldest ever recorded in Southeastern North Carolina, according to the monthly ...

http://www.myreporter.com/?p=5622 - 21k - Cached - Similar pages
Coldest January recorded for almost 25 years in Switzerland ...
Feb 1, 2010 ... has experienced its coldest January for almost a quarter of a century. ... Avalanche tragedy strikes rescuers hard; 12.01.2010 ...

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news_di...recorded_for_almost_25_years.html?cid=8207646 - 32k - Cached - Similar pages
January 'coldest month in decades' - The Irish Times - Mon, Feb 01 ...
Feb 1, 2010 ... Temperatures in Ireland were an average of 6 degrees below normal in the first 10 days of last month, Met Éireann said today.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0201/breaking47.html - 42k - Cached - Similar pages
A Top-5 Coldest Start to January Across Most Of The Area
Jan 10, 2010 ... TOP 5 COLDEST JANUARY 1-9 PERIODS AT SMITH CENTER (AVERAGE TEMP): 1) 2.2 IN 1974 2) 9.1 IN 1979 3) 10.7 IN 2010 4) 10.8 IN 1988 ...

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/gid/?n=atop-5coldeststarttojanuaryacrossmostofthearea - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
UK faces coldest winter in 30 years – forecasts | UK news | The ...
UK faces coldest winter in 30 years – forecasts. Digg it · Buzz up · Share on facebook .... It was last modified at 00.12 GMT on Wednesday 6 January 2010. ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/05/uk-faces-coldest-winter-weather - 83k - Cached - Similar pages
JANUARY 2010 – WET AND THE TENTH COLDEST - West Tennessee Weather ...
It ranks January 2010 as the tenth coldest January on record for Jackson. The highest temperature recorded was 66º on the 21st and the lowest temperature ...

http://wtnweather.com/?p=315 - 34k - Cached - Similar pages
Hannity repeats false claim that 2009 was "coldest year on record ...
by RavenRog (January 06, 2010 11:30 am ET). I don't know about 2009, but 2010 is sure looking to be one of the coldest on record. ...

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201001050056 - 53k - Cached - Similar pages
January 8th 2010: Coldest Day of the Winter on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Jan 8, 2010 ... January 8th 2010: Coldest Day of the Winter by Elad V.. 08/365 .... Taken on January 8, 2010; Viewed 105 times. Add to your map ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eladv/4257325612/ - 195k - Cached - Similar pages
High Speed Dirt: January 2010 One of the Overall Coldest Months On ...
7TH COLDEST JANUARY ON RECORD. MANY OF THE COLD FRONTS THAT CROSSED THE REGION DURING JANUARY 2010. BROUGHT BANDS OF SHOWERS WITH A FEW STORMS INTO CENTRAL ...

http://highspeeddirt-steve.blogspot.com/2010/02/january-2010-one-of-overall-coldest.html - 98k - Cached - Similar pages


Yes the AGW Orthodoxy that Man is the Sinner and the True Believes in the Theology of AGW, can save us from our ecological sins, just send them the money and they will save us from ourselves and make a Paradise for all the forgiven sinners who renounce their earth warming ways, sounds a lot like some other Theologians with a True Orthodoxy that will save the sinners just send the money;

How about Jimmy Baker.....Jimmy Swaggart....Marjoe Gortner.....all of those True Believers that if you sent them your money would save you from your self, while they became rich.

Sound a lot like Algore doesn't it.....and much of the rest of the AGW Orthodox believers whose livelihood rest on money extorted from us through the government, in grants for their life styles.

Yes, January 2010 the Warmest ever???? :roflmao:
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All of which (with one exception) are for the NORTHERN HEMISPHERE.

The world does not end at the Equator.

The one exception is an article talking about Antarctica.

Although, I think it's particularly amusing that:
Buffalo Roam said:
http://wtnweather.com/?p=315 - 34k - Cached - Similar pages
Hannity repeats false claim that 2009 was "coldest year on record ...
by RavenRog (January 06, 2010 11:30 am ET). I don't know about 2009, but 2010 is sure looking to be one of the coldest on record. ...
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Trippy said:
All of which (with one exception) are for the NORTHERN HEMISPHERE.

The world does not end at the Equator.

The one exception is an article talking about Antarctica.

Although, I think it's particularly amusing that:


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Exactly Trippy, so across the world this January isn't the warmest on record now is it? yes,
you are playing from the
Jones CRU set of rules, ignore any data that doesn't agree with your preconceived conclusion,
and tweak the rest.
 
Interesting analogy:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175...ispatch/esUU+(TomDispatch:+The+latest+Tomgram)

Climate-Change Denial as an O.J. Moment

The campaign against climate science has been enormously clever, and enormously effective. It’s worth trying to understand how they’ve done it. The best analogy, I think, is to the O.J. Simpson trial, - - -

The Dream Team of lawyers assembled for Simpson’s defense had a problem: it was pretty clear their guy was guilty. - - {they} decided to attack the process, - - -
If anything, they were actually helped by the mountain of evidence. If a haystack gets big enough, the odds only increase that there will be a few needles hidden inside. - - - - Cochran compared Fuhrman to Adolf Hitler and called him “a genocidal racist, a perjurer, America’s worst nightmare, and the personification of evil.” - - - -

Similarly, the immense pile of evidence now proving the science of global warming beyond any reasonable doubt is in some ways a great boon for those who would like, for a variety of reasons, to deny that the biggest problem we’ve ever faced is actually a problem at all. If you have a three-page report, it won’t be overwhelming and it’s unlikely to have many mistakes. Three thousand pages (the length of the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change)? That pretty much guarantees you’ll get something wrong.

Indeed, the IPCC managed to include, among other glitches, a spurious date for the day when Himalayan glaciers would disappear. - - - a fact that has now been spread so widely across the Internet that it’s more or less obliterated another, undeniable piece of evidence: virtually every glacier on the planet is, in fact, busily melting.

Similarly, if you managed to hack 3,000 emails from some scientist’s account, you might well find a few that showed them behaving badly, or at least talking about doing so. - - - -

Call him the Mark Fuhrman of climate science; attack him often enough and maybe people will ignore the inconvenient mountain of evidence about climate change that the world’s scientific researchers have, in fact, compiled. Indeed, you can make almost exactly the same kind of fuss Johnnie Cochran made -- that’s what Congressman James Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.) did, insisting the emails proved “scientific fascism,” and the climate skeptic Christopher Monckton called his opponents “Hitler youth.” - - -

- - - Say a record set of snowstorms hit Washington D.C. It won’t even matter that such a record is just the kind of thing scientists have been predicting, given the extra water vapor global warming is adding to the atmosphere. It’s enough that it’s super-snowy in what everyone swore was a warming world.

For a gifted political operative like, say, Marc Morano, who runs the Climate Depot website, the massive snowfalls this winter became the grist for a hundred posts poking fun at the very idea that anyone could still possibly believe in, you know, physics. Morano, who really is good, posted a link to a live webcam so readers could watch snow coming down; his former boss, Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.), had his grandchildren build an igloo on the Capitol grounds, with a sign that read: "Al Gore’s New Home." These are the things that stick in people’s heads. If the winter glove won’t fit, you must acquit.
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What I know to be fact is that here in western PA we just had the snowiest Feb on record and have moved to the number 3 spot on the season list with a least a month to go. We did not see an average high temp all month. I am tired of cold and snowy and do not want to hear the words global warming again until it atleast gets back to average highs.
 
Well here in Ont Canada we have had the most mild winter, I can remember in a long time.
We barely got any snow, and what little we did melted quickly. We didn't even get that stretch of -20/-30 weather this yr. We sent everything over to the US this yr and we beat their ass at Hockey too! :D
 
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