How can God not exist?

Socratic Spelunker,

What would be the catalyst to transform the mind

Why?

jan.

 

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So what is the nature of God?

jan.

 

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If this is so how does one come to believe in God? Wishful thinking?

 

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Right, but the concept of God they would derive from the experience wouldn't be true. It would just be lightning and thunder, not a personal, loving, eternal Father.

Because I don't think there's really any such thing as a truth being "self-evident". If something is true, it's not because it makes itself true. If it's true, it must square up with, and be consistent with, OTHER truths that we know of the world.

Or else, what's to stop the Spaghetti Monster from being true? After all, 50 ft. tall walking, eternal piles of talking spaghetti are not something we've ever seen either.

 

Despite all these ramblings, my point still stands.

You underestimate the creativity of the human mind.


Can you think of something that cannot be thought? No.

 

So a greater being is self-contradictory and thus logically impossible? Fair enough.

They know the power exists, but not the why it happens.

Who says there was any dramatic transition?

That's the point - God is an anthropomorphisation... for some of animals, for some of nature, for some of the entire universe and beyond.

Yet when you are provided with possible reasons you dismiss them for having assumptions??? :shrug:

Yes it is... it is squarely based on the concept of cause and effect - or are you disputing the concept of God as "initial cause" or "cause of all causes"?
In this regard God is just the anthropomorphisation of the gap in that knowledge.

 

Yes. I defy you to imagine a four-sided triangle. Wait, we'll keep it simple. Imagine a shape with exactly 476,639,756 sides, no more, no less.

 

Er, haven't you done just that?

 

I take it that he means visually.

 

But people don't a general visual concept of god either (until they see a "painting" of him). Same thing...

 

I know, but that's what he is seemingly talking about.

 

Jan, do we really need this thread??
In contradistinction to the "God Must Exist" thread (also yours..)???

Seriously, it's getting a little tiresome.
You could have stretched a little and easily had a thread with a chance at life if you had replaced "God" with "Dracula".
Seriously.

sigh

I fear that this thread will be in the abyss by Sunday...

 

I note that he effectively ignored my post #2.

 

Moi?

I couldn't ignore you if I tried good man.

I just didn't want to get out on an analysis of the Ontological argument(sic). It's much too silly to even discuss. lol

 

Not you, Jan.
His sole response was "I'm not sure what you're getting at."
When my final sentence was "Ergo: he doesn't".

Blind spot much?

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Ah. Cool. Still having a bad brain day.. err.. week here..


I like to call it "reverent myopia"...

 

OK, I'll humour you....


No such thing as a four sided triangle. If it was four sided it would be classified a rectangle.
Plus I'm imagining a 476,639,756 sided shape right now. It looks surprising like a circle as well. Amazing.

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It may look like it, but it's not. Anyways, I do think there are things that cannot be thought. We evolved with the ability to think abstractly, but only to a point. Deep scientific concepts and complex mathematical information is just difficult for us to process mentally.

I can't remember what relevance this had to the thread, though.

 

lol