river has denied ever been told about the Superforce. the last time I told himwas only on the 9/3/20 in the "Can you handle the most fundamental question about time" thread. The question then must be asked, is river lying or just demented, or trolling, or all three.
amen to that there is a saying: "you cannot use logic and reason to dissuade someone from a position that they arrived at using neither" and, here's the rub One of my sons teaches at a mennonite school. Some students have their book. Having studied the book, they truly believe that they have used logic an reason to arrive at their beliefs. forget millions of years of evolution----GOD did not need any of that. Shall you dispute the word of GOD? If he were to take a confrontational approach, the parents would just remove their child from the school. The devil is in the details? or perhaps the light of understanding is in those details?
I certainly would not dispute the word of God if it could be shown it was indeed the word of God but given the mistakes in the book you must say God was less than efficient in "inspiration". However I don't care atheism and theism are mere silly words that don't apply to me. And look I am no longer arguing with Jan ..I expect his job is done and he has no reason to help me now that I have come to my senses. Alex
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Upton Sinclair, who expressed in grammatically correct English a somewhat deeper thought. ("It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"). Only reason is: The insight in Western society traces back to Karl Marx or beyond, and is one facet of a central jewel of lefty thought. With no education in the offing, little reason to be in a school.
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That's what you get when you try to explain your knowledge of the unknowable, pure incoherence.....Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
The book is 40yrs old . Originally published in 1984 . Anyway , don't have the book . But I bought it .
Another for you river from 2017... https://books.google.com.au/books?id=SHEADAAAQBAJ&pg=PT77&lpg=PT77&dq=the cosmic superforce&source=bl&ots=vghMr9ciic&sig=ACfU3U1ZwUPH7CZB2_u4tF35xV0psRTQOw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiAy_L-grToAhWCILcAHYAdDWM4ChDoATAFegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=the cosmic superforce&f=false and updated in 2006 I don't believe you river.
Page 5 , " The Unfolding Universe " , second paragraph , first statement , I disagree . All forces are fundamentally physically based . Forces don't become because of mathematics . The mathematics Discovered these forces , because of physical interactions between physical things . Forces don't just " pop " into existence . Forces have fundamentally physical causes . Anybody else is of course welcome in this discussion . And important . On page #8 , second paragraph , third sentence , the Universe existence came from nothing . Physicists , today , do not think the Universe came from nothing . river
Better check out CDT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_dynamical_triangulation Correct. How forces can and must behave is mathematical. Correct. The reason why human mathematics was able to discover and interpret the measurable mathematical ways by which the universal functions is because human mathematics are symbolic representations of universal mathematics (which behave in measurable mathematical ways). Very gracious of you. Depends on your interpretation of "nothing" (no thing), which is subject to an abstract interpretation. Theism is one such interpretations.....Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!. Can you account for a God from nothing?
To your last statement Disagree : If this statement were true then taking time out of the equatuion would change any thing physical at any moment .
All change is based in strict mathematical rules of physical behaviors and interactions. All patterns are expressions of relative mathematical values and mathematical functions. Even mathematical patterns emerge from pure chaos (see Chaos theory).
Time was nor addressed in the statement. Time is an emergent product of "duration", and that answers all questions about time as it relates to a measurable product of "duration of physical existence or change". IMO, time is a category of the mathematical essence of spacetime.
